Page 5 | Miriam Cates is on Politics Live today, 25 January.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 2023-01-25T11:19:41+00:00

Hoping Miriam gets a chance to address the odious attack on her by Lloyd Russell Moyles, and the conviction yesterday of the double rapist who claims he's a woman.

Datun · 25/01/2023 13:11

MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:19

Presenter to DB: Are Labour in the right place?

DB: They are a bit all over the place on it. WE just have to be clear. Respect, equality, ensure people are treated properly, that we don't alienate, that we care about how people are feeling and their development and their emotions they are going through; not pandering to situations which put aside 50 years of equality campaigning for women.

The issue is, and always has been, that 'treating trans people properly, caring about feelings, their development and their emotions', only has one answer. And that's a hundred percent capitulation.

David Blunkett sounds exactly like any normal person, who hasn't been subjected to TRA attacks. Sick to death of the entire issue, and obviously women's safety should trump men's self image. And look, a rapist in a woman's prison, what the fuck is that all about?

The thing is, if he even attempts to solve that ^ he will be told that his desire is to ''treat trans people properly, caring about feelings, their development and their emotions' is absolutely dead in the water.

It's either/or.

Hopefully, he will follow the same journey as everyone else, get increasingly frustrated and horrified by transactivism, and end up just telling them all to fuck off, so to speak.

ResisterRex · 25/01/2023 13:01

I think the urgent question came first. But it's all ☀️

Rightsraptor · 25/01/2023 13:00

And Russell Findlay has raised an urgent question with the SNP about the double rapist 'Isla'. Seems he's been spurred on by David Blunkett's comments?

ResisterRex · 25/01/2023 12:58

While that was going on, this happened in Parliament. From 11:57. Laura Farris and Kemi.

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/9b8ec96e-08bc-48a8-b970-a7c8130d8afa

LF: pleased the government is reinstating 3rd party harassment protection in the workplace. But there is a confusion around sex and gender. Can she confirm that the EHRC will be publishing guidance on protecting belief in the workplace?

KB: the government will be supporting the EHRC in producing a statutory code on workplace harassment, and the government will produce its own guidance on sexual harassment which should address the very issues (LF) raises

Before that, at 11:45, Ellie Reeves of Labour asked about closing the "gender pay gap". Kemi said the government will not accept Labour's proposals and that conflating equal pay with gender pay gap reporting is not the same thing. It's one of the areas that has quite a lot of nuance and Labour needs to "a little bit more of its own homework"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/01/2023 12:53

Bit cross that this section was at the end and somewhat cut off before it was fully discussed. BBC normally try and avoid the issue but this appears to be the current tactic. Discuss it but at the end of a programme and run out of time

I really wish they'd stop with the social engineering attempts. Let discussions happen freely.

Signalbox · 25/01/2023 12:48

Smashing! Another Labour MP finally growing a spine! How many is that now?

Igmum · 25/01/2023 12:43

Well done David Blunkett and Miriam Cates - and let's have the Labour front bench saying this too

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 25/01/2023 12:42

Wow! Obviously huge thanks and respect to Miriam Cates. I appreciate your clear thinking and bravery. I'm just never going to be a Conservative voter, economically.

And go David Blunkett! Thanks for mentioning real equality. Is this a Labour politician who remembers class analysis? More Duffields and Blunketts, please Labour party. I am desperate to vote for a socialist party.

RoyalCorgi · 25/01/2023 12:35

Just watched the whole thing (starts at about 11.45, which is the time rather than length if you see what I mean, ie it's about 30 minutes in). Miriam Cates was excellent as always, but Blunkett was also impressive. Really clear in his support for women's rights. Am in a state of shock!

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:33

Every time I hear an SNP MP going on about FULL FRONTAL ASSAULT, I get the ick. They keep saying it like they are deliberately drawing some sort of brain image that has nothing to do with politics. Particularly egregious when the political opposition in this case is to do with women's safety.

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Walrussy · 25/01/2023 12:31

Yes, what a lovely surprise to hear a Labour man come down firmly on the side of women.

334bu · 25/01/2023 12:31

Well done Miriam Cates and David Blunkett. Oh and by the way that male serial rapist is being held in Cornton Vale which is a female prison. Allegedly in segregation until sentencing. However, if sentenced to a period in prison, this will most probably be in a female prison as, according to Scottish Advocate John Moir, the prison safeguarding policy, in these types of cases ,only considers the male prisoner's safetty

PoliticalFootball · 25/01/2023 12:29

I think I can hear the sound of Keir Starmer banging his head on his desk from here! How very fxxxing refreshing to hear someone from Labour speaking so very frankly. Thank you David for your outburst of common sense - I only hope it emboldens some of your fellow Labour Party members to find their backbone.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:28

MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 11:38

AW most definitely is not from when I've seen her interviewed on the topic before!

Typical. Lefty men who consider themselves "feminists" v actual women who will be branded as phobes and inherently wrong and hateful because of their political orientation.

My apologies to David Blunkett. You were great.

David Linden: you are a rude fucking arsehole who enjoys talking over everyone, particularly women.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:27

DB: The 2010 EqA was UK wide. We support the UK EqA and therefore we should be in favour of protecting people from (Linden talking over him, but think he says) issues that might arise from your....[Presenter now takes over and cuts him off]

End of topic discussion.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:25

Presenter to Ann Widdecombe:

AW: Absolutely right to use [s35]. Agree with DB.

Back to David Linden who is shaking his head: The issue is does the Labour Party still believe in devolution? The SLP presented amendments to ensure the legislation is compatible with the EqA. Is the London LP now going to decide to support this or side with the Westminster Government of this full frontal assault on Scottish democracy. Sounds like it listening to DB.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:21

Presenter: What would you like to hear from Kier Starmer?

DB: Sex and gender are entirely separate things. you can have someone who feels like they are a different gender and you can help and support them. But in the end, women's equality trumps it all.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:19

Presenter to DB: Are Labour in the right place?

DB: They are a bit all over the place on it. WE just have to be clear. Respect, equality, ensure people are treated properly, that we don't alienate, that we care about how people are feeling and their development and their emotions they are going through; not pandering to situations which put aside 50 years of equality campaigning for women.

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2358853b · 25/01/2023 12:18

Thanks for sharing, pleasantly surprised by David Blunkett on this!

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:17

Asking David Blanket whether s35 should be use?

DB: About put s35 in the Act, and there's not point putting it in if you never expect to use it.

Presenter: Was this the right point?

DB: I think things is a complex issue and it was right. I am sick and tired of identity politics, we need respect and genuine equality. And we need people like LRM to apologise to people like MC, because MC was expressing a perfectly reasonable point of view. There is a man called Adam Graham who is a 2 time rapist, decided to trans and could end up in a women;'s prison in Scotland.

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SallyLockheart · 25/01/2023 12:15

always liked David Blunkett. and well done to him for mentioning the Scottish rapist in a women's gaol

Bit cross that this section was at the end and somewhat cut off before it was fully discussed. BBC normally try and avoid the issue but this appears to be the current tactic. Discuss it but at the end of a programme and run out of time

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 12:14

MC: We can't change sex, that is a biological fact, and the social consensus/covenant that keeps women safe only works if everybody buys into it.

Presneter: David Linden, you see it differently.

David Linden SNP: Well what I see is democracy. All 5 parties in the Scottish Parliament voted in favour of the legislation. Sec State for Scotland has used s35 to block this for this first time ever- anti democratic and full frontal assault on Scottish democracy.

Presenter: But what about the tone of the debate? This is it so difficult to have a civilised debate without the heat and personalisation?

DL: I think the behaviour in the HOC last week was out of order. Need to keep in mind that people have very strong views and I absolutely respect that. There are also people in the trans community who are incredibly vulnerable as well. Need to take the temperature out of this. But the reality is that the Scottish Parl has has this debate, consultation etc. Scotland has announced it will try to block the S35.

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Lottapianos · 25/01/2023 12:13

Absolutely stunned at a Labour man being so unequivocally supportive of women's rights. More of that please

Cailleach1 · 25/01/2023 12:13

LizzieSiddal · 25/01/2023 11:35

Thanks for the heads up.
From what I’ve heard from David Blunkett previously, he’s a TWAW spouter, I suspect Anne is not, so it’s a pretty balanced panel.

If he ever was that, he doesn't appear to be engaging in such dissimulation or falsehood now.

I was surprised by his straight talking on the show. I imagine his honesty has gained him some respect.

PronounssheRa · 25/01/2023 12:13

Blunkett raised the case of Adam graham called him 'that guy'. Off to the gulag with him.

Blunkett actually sounded furious about the whole situation