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Miriam Cates is on Politics Live today, 25 January.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 11:19

Hoping Miriam gets a chance to address the odious attack on her by Lloyd Russell Moyles, and the conviction yesterday of the double rapist who claims he's a woman.

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AutumnCrow · 25/01/2023 15:03

Ridemeginger · 25/01/2023 14:26

Emily Thornberry's gaslighting is something else.

I've noticed a few women in politics like ET and Penny Mordaunt have cultivated that rich, plummy voice (presumably) to make their out and out lies sound more plausible. I know ET's a QC but dear lord she doesn't half over-egg it.

Thatcher had to have voice coaching to get anywhere near that zone of plummy deep-toned smugness.

It won't wash any more with me. Emily Thornberry is a dangerous gaslighting liar. I'm glad Blunkett of Sheffield has appeared over the hill banging his drum.

MagpiePi · 25/01/2023 15:03

ET: Both sides need to…sit down and discuss it in a sensible way.

what I hear is ‘Anyone objecting needs to STFU and agree with the TRA demands

RoyalCorgi · 25/01/2023 14:34

Datun · 25/01/2023 14:20

Both sides need to remember that this is about the most vulnerable people in our society who are trans people, and to stop screaming at each other, and to sit down and discuss it in a sensible way.

On what fucking planet does a rapist being given incarcerated women as part of his sentence make him the fucking vulnerable one!

Or a rubbish male athlete scooping awards trophies and finance off women, make him the vulnerable one!

Or men shouting, screaming, spitting and threatening to rape and kill women, and riding roughshod over their boundaries?

Has she changed the entire meaning of the word vulnerable now to mean powerful and intimidatory??

What fucking planet is she on. These idiots.

I feel your rage, Datun. Why do journalists never challenge politicians on this "most vulnerable" nonsense? I can think of any number of groups (elderly people, disabled people, single mums, refugees) who are a darn sight more effing vulnerable than a bunch of cross-dressing middle-aged men.

Ridemeginger · 25/01/2023 14:26

Emily Thornberry's gaslighting is something else.

Jackiewoo · 25/01/2023 14:26

ET always gives me Umbridge vibes TBH.

The MOST vulnerable in society? Adult men? Shouty demanding adult men? What a load of crap.

Datun · 25/01/2023 14:20

Both sides need to remember that this is about the most vulnerable people in our society who are trans people, and to stop screaming at each other, and to sit down and discuss it in a sensible way.

On what fucking planet does a rapist being given incarcerated women as part of his sentence make him the fucking vulnerable one!

Or a rubbish male athlete scooping awards trophies and finance off women, make him the vulnerable one!

Or men shouting, screaming, spitting and threatening to rape and kill women, and riding roughshod over their boundaries?

Has she changed the entire meaning of the word vulnerable now to mean powerful and intimidatory??

What fucking planet is she on. These idiots.

MorvenOfMalvern · 25/01/2023 14:18

Who on earth does Emily Thornerry think she is to tell someone else whether they FEEL isolated or not?

And she forgotten that the whole MC/LRM/BB/RD stuff was filmed and shared everywhere? So we know you could hear and see it all, because we all did.

MagpiePi · 25/01/2023 14:18

I saw this today.
ET saying that Rosie Duffield isn’t being treated badly by the Labour Party and is free to express her views. Yeah, right.

Also ET describing the trans community as the MOST vulnerable in society. I am getting so tired of this classification. It seems that 75% or so of trans women are AGPs who are choosing to be their true selves (hate that phrase too) in public and expecting society to accommodate and celebrate them.

Vebrithien · 25/01/2023 14:16

I do, just wonder, if David Blunkett has somewhat more of an awareness of being vulnerable, and discriminated against, due to his visual impairment?

Perhaps more so than a 'standard' make politician?

SinnerBoy · 25/01/2023 14:16

MoirasSaggyBundles · Today 13:31

Only one bloody side is doing the screaming!

Yes, one side is definitely screaming and being abusive. The women aren't.

SinnerBoy · 25/01/2023 14:14

Walrussy · Today 12:31

Yes, what a lovely surprise to hear a Labour man come down firmly on the side of women.

As he's in the House of Lords, he has a lot more latitude to speak his mind and doesn't need to pander to Starmer the Cowardly Lawyer.

eleanorwish · 25/01/2023 14:00

Did you see Shami Chakrabati on there yesterday? She spoke some crap about you wouldn't put her in a cell with a white supremacist but you don't segregate prisons by race.
So what's the point of women's prisons then!

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 25/01/2023 13:59

Listen to David, Kier. Your party will not win an election until you remove yourselves from the echo chamber that is the North London dinner party circuit. Be a true leader. Put your head above the parapet and say what you really think. I’ll be willing to bet a lot of money it isn’t that TWAW.

teawamutu · 25/01/2023 13:57

Emily Thornberry has a trans cousin and is a fully paid up member of the beeee kiiiind cohort.

As well as being a patronising arse.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 13:52

Joanna Cherry MSP on Time Radio earlier.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 13:51

Emily Thornbury is a piece of work. Too loud for you, was it? Diddums. It's always bloody loud in there when there's a debate. You just didn't like what you were hearing from measured, sensible women using facts not emotional blackmail. All the aggression, all the unreasonableness is coming from your side! They (her and that SNP bloke Linden earlier) are like Trump going on about both sides. It was one side, it was Moyle and his Labour cronies being unreasonable.

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 13:44

Now asking her about Rosie Duffield not being able to speak freely and being heckled by other Labour MPs. Asking ET whether she has sympathy for Duffield.

ET: [Head roll, half sigh, patient voice] I think she does speak freely on it. I've spoken to her many times on it behind the scenes.

[Tory bloke next to her says under his breath, "Not according to...[can't work out what he says]"]

ET: We have had these conversations and what we need to do, of course, is speak to each other, listen.....

Presenter: What do you make of what [duffield] wrote about feeling isolated in the Labour Party?

ET [Head roll, eye roll] I don't think it's fair to say that she's isolated. As I say, I think many of us have....[Tory bloke is trying to interject about the atmosphere in the Commons last week, but ET is not letting him talk over her]. I have to say that the debate last week was not Parliament at its finest, and frankly I was in the chamber. I heard, I thought that I heard one person say, "No, Rosie, that's not right," , I was told that was two people, but to be honest, honestly, I was there, and the bottom half of the chamber, the Tories there were shouting at the [Nats??] so loudly that I really found it difficult to hear what was going on. And frankly after a while, I had enough of it and I simply left.

Tory bloke talking about LRM going to sit next to Cates to intimidate her, but theme music is playing over him to hail end of programme.

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MorrisZapp · 25/01/2023 13:42

She was on Times Radio earlier too, she was fantastic. Then Maya F was on with Mariella, again in calm and rational form. This is going to be a huge story.

IcakethereforeIam · 25/01/2023 13:39

David Blunkett seems to be trending. Thank you @MoirasSaggyBundles

OldCrone · 25/01/2023 13:39

Both sides need to remember that this is about the most vulnerable people in our society who are trans people

Has anyone, anywhere, ever provided any evidence to back up their claims that trans people are 'the most vulnerable people in our society'?

Or do they think that if they keep repeating this claim it somehow becomes true?

And if they truly believe this, why are they going into schools and trying to persuade children that they 'might be trans' so that they can become part of the most vulnerable group? Why would anyone want to push children into becoming even more vulnerable than they already are?

MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 13:32

Emily Thornbury that was. Saying both sides are screaming at each other. Bollocks

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MoirasSaggyBundles · 25/01/2023 13:31

Politics Live continuing to discuss this. Labour woman, whose name escapes me (she's the Chair), is saying Blunkett is not right about Labour being all over the place. She's saying section 35 doesn't need to be invoked. Rather than go to court, the grown up way of dealing with it is for the 2 governments to discuss it. Both sides need to remember that this is about the most vulnerable people in our society who are trans people, and to stop screaming at each other, and to sit down and discuss it in a sensible way.

Only one bloody side is doing the screaming!

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lyson · 25/01/2023 13:30

ResisterRex · 25/01/2023 12:13

Clip of Blunkett. Enjoy it before he's sent off to Re-Education to fix his Wrong Think!!

twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1618218718743658496?s=12

Fantastic

TheMarzipanDildo · 25/01/2023 13:29

I couldn’t envision Blunkett being TWAW so I’m glad he’s sensible.

LizzieSiddal · 25/01/2023 13:18

Ahh I missed it as had to attend to work. Maybe I have mixed up Blunkett with someone else re his stance on this, so I apologise!