Miriam Cates is on Politics Live today, 25 January.

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Fair enough, now you know! I took a bullet for you, remember that!

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Yes, me. I want to know who the woman asking her the questions was in that video. I thought I recognised the venue.

@SinnerBoy

Fair enough. I didn't watch the Morgan interview cos both annoy me so much.

I can't wait for her latest answer on the issue. Has she any constituents on here?

duc748 · Today 11:34

Not following your drift there, Sinner.

I was mocking Lisa Nandy's non-respsonses to Morgan, when he asked her if it was fair for mediocre men to compete as women and "break" all the records.

Fully agree morven. There's definitely some huge issues going on in that area.

And actually not necessarily self defined but parentally coerced or defined - which should, in a sane world, be a safeguarding red flag in the way that FII also is.

The 'trans child' blogger that i used to follow is an absolute epicentre of random self diagnoses for herself and all her 'home educated' children. Her absolute commitment to affirming her 'trans child' has exactly the same feel.

Not following your drift there, Sinner.

MoirasSaggyBundles · Yesterday 19:21

Is it this one? She is as thick as mince.

Blimey... Deflect! Deflect! Deflect! But Caster Semanya! Strawman, Usain Bolt doesn't identify as a woman!

There's far too much sitting in the fence and lack of plain English.

These issues will keep occurring until specific aspects of the law relating to sex in schools are spelt out in black and white.

And at the time that was written, it was very far from clear as to whether gender reassignment even applied to children. Which I also pointed out.

Institutions getting ahead of the law again!

From KCSIE

88. Whilst all of the above protections are important in the context of safeguarding, this guidance and the legal duties placed on schools and colleges, in relation to safeguarding and promoting the welfare of children, governing bodies and proprietors should carefully consider how they are supporting their pupils and students with regard to particular protected characteristics - including disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender reassignment and race.

89. Provisions within the Equality Act allow schools and colleges to take positive action, where it can be shown that it is proportionate, to deal with particular disadvantages affecting pupils or students with a particular protected characteristic in order to meet their specific need. This includes a duty to make reasonable adjustments for disabled children and young people, including those with long term conditions. A school or college, could, for example, consider taking positive action to support girls if there was evidence they were being disproportionately subjected to sexual violence or sexual harassment.

It's like they skim over the above. They definitely don't join the dots. Positive action would be to make sure there are single sex safe spaces for girls, who make up the majority of the half the school.

That is actually useful for @Vebrithien on another thread to quote, as, while KCSIE mentions "trans children" (which is at that age, all self defined and so not an official diagnosis) it also mentions the EA and specifically sex.

So the safeguarding lead Dh has a duty under KCSIE to make sure that characteristic is upheld too.

It does. I responded to the under the radar consultation to say - basically - erm what about Everyone's Invited the the Ofsted findings?!

But no. Sacred groups.

That's not v clear: p25, p26, p50

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/1101454/Keepinggchildrensafeeineducationn_2022.pdf

These are the key pages:

And there's a nice little gang of academics at the moment pushing and publishing the extremely vulnerable narrative in education research.

I think GC commentators have to be armed in any discussion to push back immediately on this claim, case by case. So no, a trans child is not more vulnerable than any other child in school, all children can fall prey to abuse, so we must treat all children as being equally vulnerable and not give certain children a special status at the expense of others.

Coming back to this; I agree with you but the latest keeping children safe in education does specifically name some groups of children who are more vulnerable to abuse, including lgbt.

Heads will hone in on that

I do not believe LN deep deep down thinks TWAW and trans rapists should be allowed to go into Womens prisons. I think she’s just gone so far with this now she has to take it all the way

I agree. That's what annoys me about her. She voted Remain, obviously thought Brexit a bad idea, but can't admit that now and comes out with all this "Let's make Brexit work" bollocks. And the same with the trans issue. If you don't say what you mean and mean what you say, you end up looking ridiculous.

And she is touted as a future leader. 🙄

Hahaha yes that’s it, she reminds me of Nicola Murray from The Thick of It, just completely hapless. Where is Malcolm Tucker when you need him?!

Lisa Nandy is an ejit. I truly truly believe that she made a fuck up a few years ago on GMB (I think it was) where she couldn’t explain what a man or a woman was. She was falling over herself, tying herself up in word salad knots, terrified of saying the ‘wrong’ thing. I watched that interview with my toes curled. It was hilarious. I think since then she’s been scared to say what she truly thinks. I do not believe LN deep deep down thinks TWAW and trans rapists should be allowed to go into Womens prisons. I think she’s just gone so far with this now she has to take it all the way. Think of it a bit like when Pam pretended to be a vegetarian in Gavin and Stacey. She had to keep up with the premise. It’s quite funny actually when you think about it. Poor Lisa, what a wally 😂.

My MP. 🙁

All those fine words butter no parsnips if you're still going to parrot "TWAW".

Starmer and co are scrabbling round like idiots trying to find a way of pretending that of course no one in the Labour Party thinks it's OK to put men in women's prisons. Of course not.

Unfortunately for him, at least one MP has been filmed saying that rapists should be allowed to go to women's prisons if they want to.

Is anybody else loving the way that Rosie Duffield is coming out of this smelling (appropriately) of roses? Poor Rosie has had to put up with so much shit for so long and now people are starting to recognise what a hero she is, while Starmer and co are scrabbling round like idiots trying to find a way of pretending that of course no one in the Labour Party thinks it's OK to put men in women's prisons. Of course not.