A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

It's a bleeding obvious one which should always have been applied.

TQ+ specialist units would be the answer there. No one wishes to see vulnerable TQ+ male prisoners lacking privacy, dignity and safety - they just want equal consideration applied to biological females .

Presumably there are 'Q+' males who don't in any way identify as women, e.g male nonbinary, who this would help too? Housing 'transwomen' in women's prisons privileges them over other 'vulnerable' males.

This also looks to me like a potential firm use of the exception in the EqA2010. Which would be VERY interesting.

And yes, all this will immediately be challenged by the usual suspects and a lot of court cases.

And yes, it'll be slammed into reverse if a Labour/Green/Lib/Other Raving Nutjob parties get into power.

There is some fuzziness in today's change to the transgender prisoner policy framework. The statement says that a) more than 90% of "transgender women" in prison are housed in men’s prisons; b) there is no obligation to move transgender prisoners according to their wishes; and c) TW without a GRC are initially sent to a male prison as a matter of course.

Is a) just a consequence of the fact that more than 90% of TW don't have a GRC? Does b) mean that there's no obligation to house TW with GRCs in the female estate? In countries like Ireland with self-id where GRCs are easily available to any man, it appears that the state is obliged to house all TW offenders in the female estate because they are "legally female".

Halle bloody luia.

Except wtf with the grandfather clause that basically men currently in the women's estate can crack on with presenting unacceptable risk and loss of privacy and dignity to women, it just won't be an option for any new men.

And yes, wtf to the 'exceptional circumstances', there aren't any. TQ+ specialist units would be the answer there. No one wishes to see vulnerable TQ+ male prisoners lacking privacy, dignity and safety - they just want equal consideration applied to biological females .

That doesn't apply to Scotland though, does it?

Labour MP Paulette Hamilton on the "gentleman". Which...you know...isn't likely to be the case. Given the double rape conviction

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1618280972885057537?s=46&t=DgrxOACGjPdR7b_GZqH9KQ

Hope we’ll see a change in Scotland, doubt it though

Also a chance for them to go 🖕🏻 to the boring people who they know would try and stand in their way…

I agree. They’re trying to normalise kink under the guise of ‘helping others’ so when their own proclivities come out they look more palatable.

The men who advocate for this kind of thing almost always turn out to be dodgy or creepy. There's almost always a few skeletons waiting to come out.

That is a good beginning, but no makes should ever be imposed on women prisoners. It is fundamentally wrong.

Thank heavens for this!

I still don't like the implication that some may be allowed. I don't think that even those who have had surgical reassignment should be housed in the female estate. They are still male, and safety isn't the only issue (though it is paramount), dignity and privacy are important, too.

I also fear that if exceptions are made for this group, it will be the thin and of a wedge to get other, entire, men into women's prisons.

That's fascinating timing. I still fail to see what possible exceptional circumstances there could be for a male being housed in the female estate, but I'll take it for now.

Elizabeth Fry - the Quaker reformer who campaigned and fought for separate prison facilities for women to prevent them being assaulted and exploited.

She must be spinning like a top!

MOJ issued statement revising their policy of housing intact males in the female estate-finally

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I don't know Russell Findlay - but I think he is absolutely fabulous

Who must be turning?

The person is NOT a woman. It is a man who raped 2 women, then when he was arrested and knew he's have to stand trial, decided he'd like to be known as a woman. He started taking hormones but has not had any surgery. IT is a MAN in every sense of the word.

Yes, @Kucinghitam Canada has fallen hard for the genderwoo. I don't know if there will be a backlash or if they're on a downward slope and still picking up speed.

Plbrookes · Today 16:27

I didn't. Check the comment.

You joined the thread and commented, so unless you are held to a special standard, you "butted in" too.

I'll wait for the apology.

Well, they say that patience is a virtue!

That rings a bell, Kuc. I'm sure I recall reading mention of it a while back. But still...