A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

Men have no right of access to women as therapeutic resources.

On a specialist TQ+ wing there will be plenty of people with all genders to socialise with.

In fact if we're going to look through that particular hand of ideological cards, the male prisons will in fact be full of all genders and no one can tell they're male without chromosome checks, can they now? So what's the diff? The risk assessments will work just as well there to keep vulnerable TQ+ male people safe presumably as the risk assessments supposed to keep vulnerable female people safe from the sex offender among them?

They've done it before. Not sure if it's still in use. Usual thing - space and resources taken from the female prison estate, not the male, because of the need for high risk transwomen to socialise with female prisoners -

kpssinfo.org/the-transgender-unit-e-wing/

backintosociety.co.uk/2021/07/31/prison-bosses-put-transgender-sex-offenders-into-female-prisons-because-they-need-association-with-other-women/

And yes, the TRA's who I've seen commenting on the idea lay on the screams of it being transphobic to 'other' the male prisoners very thick.

I have the tiniest bit of sympathy for Paulette (and I do mean tiny). It was an awful answer which made her look clueless with more empathy for a rapist than his victims. But I think that is a result of the Labour Party having no clear and sensible position, so less experienced MPs who aren't used to bullshitting are coming really unstuck.

Brilliant wtf speech on lbc earlier by Tom Swarbrick

twitter.com/lbc/status/1618284431667564549?s=46&t=RQLzpO97tuv7ugFtownF8A

Thanks I'd never heard of her.
I'm away to look her up. Feeling almost ashamed not to know about the many amazing women who've gone before us and who make the place a better place for us.

Its verging on crazy that Transwomen wouldn't want to consider being women if we didn't have the same rights as men folk.

If we end up with separate units for "transwomen" it'll be interesting to see the reaction. I can imagine howls of outrage from some of them. Claims that they're not safe because some of those "transwomen" are dangerous. They'll not see the irony.

what about Karen White then? A male rapist in a woman's prison in 2018. Has the policy changed since then?

Angela Richardson MP on that clip where the Labour MP called the rapist a "gentleman"

twitter.com/ajrichardsonmp/status/1618341551582896128?s=46&t=ebELmcX1Y9PRTYUraMmM7w

"Opposition politicians are completely twisted up on this issue because of zero leadership and zero consideration of vulnerable women. Commonsense tells us all where fairness lies in this scenario."

Dominic Raab has tweeted about the new policy (policy in train?)

twitter.com/dominicraab/status/1618272220740218880?s=46&t=ebELmcX1Y9PRTYUraMmM7w

Here's a great reply, pointing people to how to sign the petition to repeal the GRA

twitter.com/dadrogd/status/1618314482429878272?s=46&t=ebELmcX1Y9PRTYUraMmM7w

pandering is quite the word here.

You'd think people who are so keen on pronouns would know that 'rapist' takes 'he' and 'him'.

The idea used to be, do something bad enough to get sent to prison, and you lose some of your rights. How old-fashioned! Nowadays, if you're a member of a Select Special Group of people, you actually get some additional rights, like your hurty feelings being taken into consideration, and, best of all, choose your own nick! 😃

When you look at the SPS’s description of the “comprehensive” risk assessment they carry out, you soon see where the focus is (emphasis mine):

“Factors that we consider are the identified gender of the individual, how they were living in the community, where the individual themselves want to be placed. We will also consider their criminal history, so that will look at their index offence, their previous convictions, and we will take into consideration any risk factors that may pose a threat to individuals of a particular gender

“We will also consider the mental health of the individual and if their mental health may be exasperated, or negatively impacted on if placed within a particular area, and we’ll also consider the safety of the individual themselves – have they been the subject of any gender-based violence?“

So… that’s 7 areas that relate to pandering to the prisoner’s circumstances and just two (past offending and risk factors that pose a threat) relating to impact on the female estate.

No wonder the SNP are happy to rely on the SPS’s judgement about what to do with violent male prisoners wanting entry into female prisons.

(Who used to be on radio 4, Jane Garvey from woman's hour.)

Sorry I need to catch up on the thread - delighted to hear Jane and Fi pushing for an answer and using he repeatedly here:

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1618280972885057537?s=46&t=6OCX_izULL5Rvg6lKx9M3Q

More dishonesty then.

"This policy will have no impact"

What do we need to demonstrate impact? Data.

This policy will change the data...to show that it has no impact.

ArabellaScott · Today 19:31
A transwoman with a GRC will be counted as female, as I understand it.

This is why it would be good to sign this petition to update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic “sex” means biological sex, not sex as modified by a GRC ✍️👇
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Also: 'TW without a GRC are initially sent to a male prison as a matter of course.'

Showing that, contrary to what some politicians have been arguing in favour of making GRCs easy to get, having a GRC does make a difference to more that a birth certificate or marriage licence.

In E&W. Not in Scotland. It's the opposite. Prisoners are sent to the prison that aligns with their special genderfeels.
Absurdly.

A transwoman with a GRC will be counted as female, as I understand it.

Also: 'TW without a GRC are initially sent to a male prison as a matter of course.'

In E&W. Not in Scotland. It's the opposite. Prisoners are sent to the prison that aligns with their special genderfeels.

That Scottish Minister who has such faith in the Scottish Prison Service. The SPS who has put a rapist in a women's prison, that SPS. He's in isolation at the moment but, according to the above article, he will have to be released into general circulation, with the women, in 72 hours. Actually, less than 72 hours because, I assume, the clock started ticking when he was sent down.

Do we know whether TW with GRCs are included in these stats? I know in other circs they're counted/recorded as female and so their impact "disappears" from the records.

I was musing on this while listening to Nicola Sturgeon on the radio seeming to imply that Bryson was "at it" (no true trans? But... doesn't that never happen?). She also said that GRR would have no impact on this sort of thing, but if TW with GRCs do disappear from stats it will certainly muddy the waters nicely to hugely increase their numbers.

A rapist of women is a rapist of women. End of. A fox should never be housed in the chicken coop.

'I understand they are being held in segregation or isolation, however that can’t be sustained for more than 72 hours without the permission of Scottish ministers.

“If the person isn’t presenting an active threat to staff or prisoners, they have to be released into general circulation.'

news.stv.tv/scotland/ex-prison-governor-says-trans-rapist-isla-bryson-should-not-be-in-prison-at-all-female-cornton-vale

I don't think there should be exceptional circumstances either, but it might have been politically necessary to get this agreed.

Whilst I don't agree they belong in the women's estate, it's possible they were thinking of someone along the lines of a non violent, GRC holding late teen TW, who has been on puberty blockers and has had breast implants but hasn't yet had so-called bottom surgery. So potentially someone who is small, highly feminised (for a male), functionally infertile, maybe even with micro penis.

I don't think that individual belongs in the female estate, but the risk to them in the male would be exceptionally high. They are the sort of sympathetic case which many still imagine and I could see a scenario where that kind of individual was being repeatedly presented as a reason not to block TW, and someone has proposed the "exceptional circumstances" ministerial approval to get around it. Which I can see the logic for as we know that the number of these individuals is tiny, comparatively.

I might be giving them too much credit mind you!

It's not perfect but, for rUK, it's a big step forward.

None of those parties will ever get into power. It’s something I hold on to, a glimmer of hope if you like.