A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

Sturgeon was extremely foolish to allow males convicted or accused of a sexual offense to apply for a GRC. Pushing that through has discredited the whole Scottish GRC bill and made it look like an abusers charter. Labour should not have whipped their MSPs to vote for the bill either once their amendments were defeated by the SNP and SGP, they are guilty of letting down women too.

Russell Findlay in the Scottish Daily Mail:

The rights of women must trump those of a rapist
twitter.com/russellfindlay1/status/1618549542580015106?s=46&t=7RR9PA8vNE1UDx_ENJOjNA

Yep. I mean there have always been ‘sex changes’ and ‘transvestites’ - men who dress in ‘women’s’ clothing and adopt a ‘female’ persona. But I think the number of people for whom those feelings are so extreme that they need treatment (mental health support) is absolutely tiny. What we’re seeing now is gender and various sexual identities replacing emo/goth/punk as ‘teen rebellion’. The good thing is they’ll grow out of it because they always do, the bad news is that a load of dodgy adult characters have jumped onboard and decided to be useful idiots in encouraging them or sinister creeps making out they’re ‘enlightening’ children and ‘liberating them to be themselves’.

I remember a conversation with DH where he said no normal man would get involved with any of this - which right thinking bloke do you know that would suddenly take it upon themselves to get involved with children/adolescents and their gender/sexual identity? Campaigning for them to have more underage ‘bodily autonomy’ (🤮) and turning them against anybody who doesn’t instantly enable whatever they ask for? There’s a word for people like that and it begins with P.

One has to realise that this trans mania is a cult. There is no reasoning or logic behind it. Once you are captured by it you lose any reasoning that science or common sense would apply to your brain. That’s why shouting and intimidation replaces argument.

Only the most hard core believe that this creature belongs in the women's estate and very few are that hard core - most who aren't opposed are more soft "be kinds".

Exactly! In a way I would have more admiration (wrong word but you know what I mean) for somebody insisting the rapist man belongs in a woman’s prison ‘because they’re a woman’. It’s the sly, flip flopping, writhing-off-the-hook squirming types that I get angry with - because they clearly know the risks to women shouldn’t be trumped by ‘gender identity’ but can’t quite bring themselves to say it for fear of their woke reputation.

She was on the £5 note from 2002-2016 (might come in handy for a pub quiz one day).

Must be a bit of a shock to the eyes for all those Be Kinders, indignant that some awful wimmins were being mean to that nice Hayley off Corrie, to realise they now have to defend a thug rapist flaunting his cock in woman fancy dress. Or acknowledge that perhaps when a man says he identifies as a woman, maybe he just isn't one? That sort of brain-churn must be quite exhausting.

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ALL of THIS

And it made the 9 o'clock news headlines. This is getting a lot of sunlight on R4. Nick Robinson was like a dog with a bone this morning.

Full discussion on R4 Today starting 8.45.30. Yvette Cooper followed by a very sensible discussion with Ken MacDonald.

Thank you for that transcript, I was just going to try to listen when I saw it.

if someone poses a danger to women, has committed crimes against women, they should not be being housed among women prisoners

That if is worrying. There are men who are bad in all sorts of ways besides a rape conviction (which we all know is infinitely rarer than the act). That’s why they are all (not just rapists) deemed too dangerous for the men who say they are women.

And all men would mean an invasion of women’s privacy. None of them should be in a women’s prison.

It is possible to, er, have a framework that both supports who are vulnerable who are trans, and also makes sure there are protections for women in these sorts of circumstance

Why is it the men who say they are women who get this framework ? Other vulnerable men are gay gay men, very young men, and some other categories too .

She sounded much more confident in her first answer on Radio 4 just now than her second, that's for sure

The tide must be turning if Cooper is starting to police her words - she was "TW are women" not five minutes ago IIRC and nearly choked on her own tongue trying not to admit what a woman is when she was asked to define the word

Whilst it is awful for the women who will be forced to deal with the bastard (and I am mot making light of that), this case is excellent from a sunlight perspective.

The timing is spectacular, the imagery is very stark and it's putting people in some very uncomfortable corners. Even those who are fundamentally TWAW can't defend this and for many people it's this kind of thing that will start off the thought process which ends with the realisation that there is no meaningful difference between TW and male. It's a process many of us have worked through.

And for Sturgeon et al, they are in a very difficult place. Only the most hard core believe that this creature belongs in the women's estate and very few are that hard core - most who aren't opposed are more soft "be kinds". It's had massive publicity so large numbers of people are collectively going "what the fuuuuck". But they can't say "this person shouldn't be with women" because it blows a hole in the entire ideology. Because how do you differentiate between this TW and "genuine" TW...

And the longer she takes to do nothing the noisier it gets.

It's quite amusing from a political perspective.

Radio 4. I rewound as I did lose concentration at the gender being legally recognised part, because that's such a red flag to me that whoever says it may have another agenda. So this is what was said. Nick Robinson and Yvette Cooper:

NR: you raised the issue of violence against women and girls. You'll know that there's a controversial case in Scotland - different legal system, different government, of course - in which a man called Adam Graham who raped two women is identifying as a woman and says he wants to serve his sentence in a women's prison. Now, that would not be possible as I understand it under English law, if Labour gets into government, do you agree that it should not be possible for a man who chooses to identify as a woman - someone who's still anatomically male - to serve their sentence in a woman's prison?

YC: this dangerous rapist should not be in a woman's prison. I think it should be really clear cut, if someone poses a danger to women, has committed crimes against women, they should not be being housed among women prisoners. I think that...that should just be straightforward and I think most people would agree with that.

NR: So, the fact that they identify as a woman, the fact that this person - Isla Bryson - is called in court, a woman, is referred to as "she" - all that should be ignored, and "she" - if she is she - should not serve in a woman's prison, in your view?

YC: There...there is...the Equality Act already provides for recognising that there is a difference between, between gender and whether...however that's legally recognised, and also for biological sex, and provides for there to be safe spaces for biological women, and prisons is one of the cases that's been highlighted as part of that. So, I think this has been something that's been long - you know, had those arrangements in place in the law, and it's right that there should be so. It is possible to, er, have a framework that both supports who are vulnerable who are trans, and also makes sure there are protections for women in these sorts of circumstances.

MiladeeBeserko · Today 08:12

^Nicola-Sturgeon-not-moving-trans-rapist-womens-prison.html
She's refusing to move him^

If that's not a clear signal to all right minded Scots, I don't know what is.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11677693/Rishi-Sunak-Dominic-Raab-slam-Nicola-Sturgeon-not-moving-trans-rapist-womens-prison.html

She's refusing to move him

I'm going to rewind. It was mostly the usual waffle about the Equality Act providing for gender (but this is why I need to rewind and I think she might have meant to say gender reassignment).

She said it's clear in this case, a women's prison should be out.

But mostly it was no -committal. No news - in short!

Not listening at mo, what is response?

Nick Robinson asking Yvette Cooper if she agrees that someone anatomically male shouldn't be in a women's prison now on R4

Agreed.
Or at least have 30mins in a locked room with him. Might wake her up shake her out her ivory tower.

Jeez that is so awful.

Excellent thread outlining all the times the SPS have prioritised violent males over female prisoners -

twitter.com/ForWomenScot/status/1618308946523213824?s=20&t=CZykx3qD9RUGh-deB1Uu5g

Sturgeon should be under pressure to fucking resign.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/isla-bryson-and-the-madness-of-scotlands-gender-bill/

On the front page (not lead story) of the Telegraph

Sturgeon under pressure to move trans rapist from women’s prison

twitter.com/tmorrowspapers/status/1618374926603354118?s=46&t=ohPKT96RYNDGfHA2FKNOLg

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/25/nicola-sturgeon-pressure-remove-transgender-rapist-female-prison/