A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

Sorry - I hadn't seen your response when I posted mine. I had confused the two as well.

Yes - I was glad to see some sense from the Wee Frees. Didn't surprise me and heartened me somewhat.

Yes, indeed.

Saucy little minx, isn't he?

Listened to women?

You know that’s not how it works.

Predatory men are the risk to women

They could have saved themselves a lot of time and trouble if they'd listened to us over the years.

I think we have to be realistic - at this stage Brown is not going to say no males in female prisons. That should be the ultimate aim though - this conflation of gender and sex has to stop.

Per the BBC News website

"Justice Secretary Keith Brown said the "urgent lessons learned review" into the Bryson case would be completed by Friday.
The prison service was already undertaking a wider review of its transgender policy, which will continue.
Until that ends, Mr Brown said:
No transgender person already in custody with a history of violence against women will be moved from the male to female estate
No newly convicted or remanded transgender prisoner with any history of violence against women (including sexual offences) will be placed in the female estate.
Any exceptional cases will require the approval of Scottish ministers, he said.
"I understand that the issue of any trans woman being convicted of violent and sexual offences is a highly emotive subject and that the public concern is understandable," Mr Brown said.
"As the first minister pointed out last week, we must not allow any suggestion to take root that trans women pose an inherent threat to women.
"Predatory men are the risk to women. However, as with any group in society, a small number of trans women will offend and be sent to prison.
"Therefore, I hope that the measures.... will offer reassurance in the ongoing ability of the prison service to manage trans individuals and ensure the safety of all prisoners.""

Not good enough. NO male bodied prisoners in women's prisons or units. NONE.

That's fantastic news! The whole SPS thought process and risk assessment procedure (only assessing the risk to the transwoman) needs to be thrown in the bin.

I gather Corton Vale is closing shortly for a refurb, so I hope the warrior women of Scotland are keeping an eye on the SPS to make sure they don't get up to any mixing of the sexes in the name of temporary expediency.

Breaking news - the SPS has paused all movement of trans prisoners (ie men) until they complete their review. Hopefully this is the start of some serious rethinking by those idiots in Govt at Holyrood.

And doesn't it just illustrate what we've said from the start?

A male in this situation has free licence to behave any bloody way they feel like, and women are told to shut up, be kind, to mind is transphobic, boundaries are transphobic.

And if afterwards it escapes into the press that the male was actually an abusive criminal who got off on using women in this way, and that those women were absolutely right to protest?

Well there'll be a few mumbles of 'well they weren't really trans so it doesn't matter'.

It's the whole 'well if you get hurt you can report it' thing. It really lays bare the absolute misogyny and willingness to let anything happen to females so long as males never have to hear the word no.

Just fuck this. No more.

She chose not to support two sensible Labour ammendments. For no obvious reason other than intransigence. I hope the chickens are on their way home to roost.

Leaving the buck with prison governors (or hospital managers or nurses or head teachers) is simply not good enough in a climate where people are being hounded out of their jobs and into silence. I hope that they find a way to keep the heat on Sturgeon and force this issue into wider public consciousness without endangering women.

I felt sickened reading the accounts given by the female beauty students of being compelled to have this person around them on their course and being compelled to refer to him as a woman, all the while being very aware of his “muscularity”, ie they were scared of him.

They could be our daughters, sisters, young female family members forced to “put up and shut up” because the rapist…identifies as a woman. God forbid you remind him that he’s a man - he’ll get angry and call you a “transphobe”.

It’s disgraceful. I’m well and truly sickened by what the women had to suffer.

Then she is comprehensively fucked.

Bryson's lawyers will have her on toast. She has blocked one from the women's estate on nothing more than the grounds of 'everybody shouted at me'. She is not admitting that the policy is wrong, so the decision was personal and totally incoherent. Scott is far, far worse than Bryson in terms of total unacceptability in the women's estate, and she's abandoning the women's estate to her lousy policy which as we know, through 'careful risk assessment' would not say no to Jack the bloody Ripper.

What a total hash that woman has made.

I see Sturgeon has said she won’t intervene in other cases and it’s down to the prison service to risk asses in the future. Always passing the bunch as ever, so she can say “It wisnae me” when yet another woman is assaulted.

@Sugarfree23 just to clarify, the Free Church of Scotland isn’t actually the “wee frees” , that would be the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland which is a stricter offshoot of the Free Church. And then there’s the Free Presbyterian Church Continuing which is a further offshoot of that! It’s a bit of a complicated history. 🙂

@Emotionalsupportviper what a twisted mind fuck.

So many bit of that are just wrong.

Thanks to the posted who linked the Wee Frees article. I did think they'd have something to say even if the CofS was taken by the politically correctness of TWAW.

I'm surprised the Islamic and Sikh communities aren't more out spoken. Sad as it might sound sometimes I think politicians get so worried about being called racist that what they say carries more weight than the secular society and Christian churches* *

@Emotionalsupportviper was that Bingo, the first non-binary gender-queer priest in the Church of England?

Don't start me on with that!

The C of E - a church which refuses to recognise marriage of same-sex couples (people who are attracted to members of their own sex, as God made them) - is quite happy with transitioning men.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11591517/Britains-non-binary-CofE-priest-says-God-guided-truth.html

I'm a Reader (a licensed minister) and a recent Reader magazine (our official publication) had an article by a transwoman and how wonderful it is to be accepted by the church and the only fly in the ointment is that "she" can't be "married" to "her" (present real life) wife because they would be a lesbian couple. This is very difficult for both of them, apparently.

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to start.

I don't know where other faiths stand on this matter, but this is destroying the church I have loved all my life.

Perhaps also clarifying it's not a transman?

They don't usually say "known as a man called..."

It's usually just "previously named..."

Just need to post the BBC's choice of image .... when we know there are others available....

From the Advertiser’s article:

*Scott then called Sheriff Livingston a "fucking transphobe bastard" and a "cunt" as he jailed her for a further year on five charges of assault and one of criminal damage.

The sheriff ordered the term to be served consecutive to her present, indeterminate sentence, before adding: "Take him down."*

Two things I noted… the first is that at least sheriff Livingstone got to see the sort of vitriol regularly dished out by the “most vulnerable” in our community. 🤡

And the second is that he finally ran out of patience and correctly sexed the violent man in the court. Unlike Scott’s solicitor who, TBF, must have wondered what he’d done to deserve having to represent him.

This was the same thinking that led to Karen White's multiple sex offenses.

Allowed to Self ID into a women's locked mental health ward, where White serially raped and injured one woman severely

On remand in a women's prison White self ID'd into (and not refused because although in there waiting trial for multiple violent rapes not yet convicted) White cracked on assaulting a few more women.

The thing about this is always 'well we cant be mean and say no because it might not be that they're violent thugs who will abuse the females we're providing them with -until they've harmed one or two we can't be sure'.

Wtf is this?!

Men have repeatedly been offered these privileged opportunities regardless of the fact it treats women like animals or therapeutic resources, with those in charge willing to give the benefit of the doubt, Be Kind, Believe, Follow the Star Rainbow Pony, etc etc etc... and men have repeatedly used that opportunity to abuse the living daylights out of it.

It has been destruction tested. Way beyond the point it ever should have been in a world where women weren't a second class kind of subhuman group to those in power. The time is long past to go on providing more men with such opportunities in the hope that some may choose to not abuse and harm the females they have demanded access to.

334bu · Today 09:56
The problem for the Colleges etc is that they cannot condemn someone who has not yet been convicted. However, in Brysons case, the problem was, because he said he was a woman, the college allowed him access to what should have been female only situarions

Exactly.
Organisations seem to feel compelled to allow men who say they are women access to what should be female only situations even though the Equality Act states they don’t have to.

The Equality Act is difficult to understand. The Equality Act needs to be updated to make absolutely clear that the characteristic ‘sex ‘ means biological sex.

Here is a Parliamentary petition to update the act if anyone would like to sign, b
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243