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296 replies

FettleOfKish · 23/01/2023 16:04

So, cervical screening obviously isn't for me then, a Woman, who doesn't consider herself to have been 'assigned' anything at any stage? 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Johnnysgirl · 23/01/2023 16:23

Don't put it off my arse. That fucking ad has put me right off...
They've actually led with the men; in a campaign for cervical smears 😳
And told biological women that they've had this fact arbitrarily "assigned".

KnickerlessParsons · 23/01/2023 16:22

It could have just said "if you're a woman, you need to have regular smear tests" and left it at that.

Transmen will know it applies to them too - unless they're really dense

WilburTheIron · 23/01/2023 16:22

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/01/2023 16:21

What are you actually on about?

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/01/2023 16:22

Eloradannin2nd · 23/01/2023 16:16

In regards to priorities, most women know about smears, the campaign is targeted at trans men who also may need smears.
I really dont see the problem. No-one is denying the female population, stop tying yourself up in knots getting offended.

Agree with this

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/01/2023 16:21

WilburTheIron · 23/01/2023 16:17

It clearly says it is for you if you’re a pink penguin with green flippers and holographic eyes.
Regardless of if you don’t want to call yourself that or not.

What are you actually on about?

Meceme · 23/01/2023 16:20

It actually doesn't use the word woman and sex is observed not assigned.
Sex is determined at conception and can be identified in utero during pregnancy.

I would expect the word woman to be used first as this is the sex needing cervical screening and clear language is important to transmit the message.

I have no issue with trans men and non binary genders being included after the largest target group.

LaughingPriest · 23/01/2023 16:20

Eloradannin2nd · 23/01/2023 16:16

In regards to priorities, most women know about smears, the campaign is targeted at trans men who also may need smears.
I really dont see the problem. No-one is denying the female population, stop tying yourself up in knots getting offended.

I think you're right.
I still disagree that all 'gender non-conforming persons' need smears though.

What is the actual problem with being accurate? I can't see how this wording makes any sense - and clearly they have been handwringing over their wording and still chose this, which includes male people of all ages.

MillicentTrilbyHiggins · 23/01/2023 16:17

I was observed to be female at birth. I wasn't assigned anything. (Well I suppose my parents assigned me my name).
Luckily for me I know that I need my smear tests regardless of if I agree with the wording or not.

Women with LDs/English as a 2nd or other language may not.

WilburTheIron · 23/01/2023 16:17

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/01/2023 16:10

It clearly says it is for you if you're a woman assigned female at birth.
Regardless of if you don't want to call yourself that or not.

It clearly says it is for you if you’re a pink penguin with green flippers and holographic eyes.
Regardless of if you don’t want to call yourself that or not.

Bobbybobbins · 23/01/2023 16:17

It's not well-written but I can see the point here

Eloradannin2nd · 23/01/2023 16:16

In regards to priorities, most women know about smears, the campaign is targeted at trans men who also may need smears.
I really dont see the problem. No-one is denying the female population, stop tying yourself up in knots getting offended.

GrumpyPanda · 23/01/2023 16:15

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senua · 23/01/2023 16:15

It clearly says it is for you if you're a woman assigned female at birth.
Actually it doesn't. It just says AFAB, doesn't use the word woman at all.

LaughingPriest · 23/01/2023 16:15

It's ok because I'm a gender-non-conforming person. As are my brothers.

It's hideously written and genuinely I believe plenty of women will not see that they are included in that. Who judges if someone is gender non-conforming or not? If I play football here, I arguably am, but if I was in America, I wouldn't be.

334bu · 23/01/2023 16:14

Doesn't mention women so not inclusive at all.

Eloradannin2nd · 23/01/2023 16:13

It's health promotion, intended to reach as many eligible people as possible. 🤷‍♀️
Seems pretty inclusive to me?

senua · 23/01/2023 16:13

It clearly says it is for you if you're a woman assigned female at birth.
Yeah, At the end of the list. Shows where you are in their priorities.

Thedaysthatremain · 23/01/2023 16:12

I mean, if you want to get cancer because you cut off your nose to spite your face crack on.

Not everything is an attack against you.

Skulldrudgery · 23/01/2023 16:12

Actually it doesn’t mention the word “woman” but it has many other words

maudesvagina · 23/01/2023 16:12

Nobody is assigned female at birth and I would not trust any medical establishment that uses this language

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/01/2023 16:10

It clearly says it is for you if you're a woman assigned female at birth.
Regardless of if you don't want to call yourself that or not.