Your child isn't trans, she's just a tomboy

I do believe there was a young male Democrat politician who was :very happy" to be given the only female spot in an upcoming election. Definitely " euphoric".

Especially when sporting an erection through said clothing.
In public.

TBF, I think in most cases where it has got as far as medical intervention being considered by the parents, it's going to be rather more than 'being a tomboy'.

Of course simplistic media accounts of trans kids is going to make the skeptical respond 'Oh my God, they're transing their child just because he like playing with dolls/she liked rugby' or whatever when it's always going to be a lot deeper and complex than that when parents are prepared to consider it, but prioritising the former is always an easier narrative in the media. I don't think even the most progressive parents are ever jumping for joy at the possibility of hormones etc; whole I'm sure one might find outliers, I genuinely don't think parents are rushing to 'trans' their kids.

The vast majority of the current young 'trans boys' will not go anywhere near medical treatment and will desist after a few years, I think everyone is rather overthinking the whole thing (kids included!)

Having lived in the USA and having been a keen observer of their culture, I see this as just another facet of their rather odd way of having to classify everything. You see it in the terms boomers, Karens, Gen Xers, the list goes on and on. I think it is an obsession of theirs as they (at least in the corporate world) see it as a way of classifying a person which then makes them easier to sell things to i.e. you're a boomer who votes x therefore you will be interested/buy product y.

Having heard American friends come up with the most ridiculous explanations for their racial/family history then the new bonkers gender stuff doesn't seem so crazy. For example, I had a room mate who said that he looked German, his brother looked Danish and his sister looked Russian (all part of their family history).

Once you understand this tortuous classification system and the American desire to ALWAYS appear under a particular heading then it makes a lot more sense regarding why this insanity is happening.

Actually my dd did want to be a boy when she was smaller-say, under 8. Wouldn't consider a dress. It never came up again by the time she was post puberty, though. And she couldn't look less like one these days.

"And as long as clothing is appropriate for the environment, whether or not it’s sexually revealing or provocative has nothing to do with it."

Something being sexually revealing or provocative is directly relevant to whether it is appropriate for an environment IMO.

Meant to say for the very small handful that do need help.

I just find it so sad that some (many) parents seem to feel the need for their children to have something or be something. Unfortunately, as with everything, the more who 'have' or 'be', the less there is available for those who genuinely need help.

So they get deleted. Which is what you'd think would be appropriate in the case you've described.

The "rules" that men need to follow who wear traditionally female clothing items are simply: don't claim to be a woman as a result, and to dress/behave appropriately in the way that someone female would be expected to in the same circumstances. That's all.

Difficult to do as they get deleted. But one has come to mind which was (I believe) M&S, who had a model that appeared to be male photographed in women’s clothing. Cue lots if frothing from the OP and cheerleaders, why do men want to wear those clothes, why is it never a ‘butch-looking man’ modelling them etc. Nowhere was it mentioned on the site that this person was trans or anything else, at first glance you’d assume it was a man in perfectly acceptable female attire (think it was a suit).

Except many posters then came on to point out that it was actually a woman 😁

You are absolutely correct and don’t mean to intentionally derail, but I was replying specifically to a comment that generalised and mentioned that children should be able to dress in whatever clothes they like. Because the irony is is that if that boy still dresses in feminine clothing as an adult male, there’s a good chance he’ll be considered a fetishist, unless he follows a specific set of rules

Absolutely. Dressing as a woman does not make you one, and am with you re access to female spaces.

And as long as clothing is appropriate for the environment, whether or not it’s sexually revealing or provocative has nothing to do with it.

Could you post an example, please?

Women certainly object to men trespassing in women's single-sex spaces or hanging around children. And I've become more suspicious of men trying to look like women, because they now often claim to actually be women, whereas in the past I cheered them for (as I thought) opposing gender stereotypes.

But I haven't noticed men wearing 'feminine' clothing, but not bothering women or children, being called perverts/fetishists on here.

Nonsense. No one would dare to call a man a pervert, quickest way to be deleted.

Not that most women ‘on here’ think that a man in feminine clothing is the aforesaid insult, only those who muscle into inappropriate facilities and claim that it’s their right, because like India , they are ‘better ‘ women than …...women.

But this thread was about girls who like traditionally masculine things ( ? Maths? Climbing trees? Search me) who are at risk of being encourage to cut their breasts off and permanently alter their hormonal balance. Nothing to do with men in dresses.

disagreeing with my while mentioning men with ‘dress up’ fetishising 😂🤷🏽‍♀️ I mean point proven

Children who are encouraged to were whatever will grow into adults who were whatever. So is it only ok when they’re children?

If men and boys want to wear feminine clothes there are lots of ways of doing this without looking like a fetishist

Billy Porter and Harry Styles manage to do it perfectly well.

I agree with you. But then men wearing 'feminine' clothing get called perverts/fetishists on here.

I don't think they do either, however the men who wear grossly over-exaggerated, hyper-sexualised versions of what they think is 'feminine' clothing, and especially want to do it in the exclusive company of small children/ girls/ women might do.

I’m glad “Sam” escaped the transition treadmill. It’s so damned dangerous. Being a gender non-conforming child today gets you boxed in far more than in the 70s.

It’s so stupid and regressive.

I agree with you. But then men wearing 'feminine' clothing get called perverts/fetishists on here.

I don't think it's quite that simple. There's a difference for both men and women in clothing that is 'feminine' vs clothing that is revealing, sexually provocative and inappropriate for certain environments.

If men and boys want to wear feminine clothes there are lots of ways of doing this without looking like a fetishist.

And any man, not matter what clothes they're wearing should not be saying he is a woman or trying to access women's spaces.

There's no such thing as a trans child.

No they don’t. The prevailing opinion is that anyone can wear whatever items of clothing they want, it doesn’t matter what sex you are.

And this thread is about children, not adult males with dress up/baby fetishes.

I'm a tomboy. Hate girly things

Just a girl being a girl in the unique way they wish to be.

I don’t think they do

Cool thing not "co thing"

I was a tomboy in the 70s. It was a co thing to be . Loads of role models in films and TV - To kill a Mockingbird for starters.
Bit lonely and isolated (not because I was a tomboy) and found it hard to make friends. Got better at it in the 1980s. Still a bit of a tomboy now.
Can't imagine what kind of shit I would have fallen for if I'd been a tomboy who was a bit lonely in this day and age.