There is no such thing as misgendering. There is only correctly identifying a person’s sex, and subsequent upset that causes some people, often not even the person whose sex has been correctly identified.

It doesn’t matter how often the Monitors/India report posts that correctly refer to India’s sex here on Mumsnet, they can’t report what’s in my brain or how I refer to India in real life. You will never control that and I will never concede that. I will abide my MNHQ’s pandering rules for the sake of posting here, but I will not refer to India as “she” ever. I will never refer to any male as she/her ever, either in writing, or in real life.

As the saying goes on Twitter, cope and seethe.

And so it came to pass

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It’s my right as a man 😂 😂 how unbelievably prescient!

Also from Life of Brian:

Stan: I want to be a woman. From now on I want you all to call me Loretta.
Reg: What!?
Stan: It's my right as a man.
Judith: Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
Stan: I want to have babies.
Reg: You want to have babies?!?!?!
Stan: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
Reg: But you can't have babies.
Stan: Don't you oppress me.

—Dialogue from The Inalienable Rights scene, with Stan (Eric Idle), Reg (John Cleese) and Judith (Sue Jones-Davies)

That doesn't make sense - "I don't believe in this term therefore it doesn't exist and so that can't be what I'm doing?

And yet... if she'd said 'I'm simply correct sexing' ... pretty sure that would be deemed invalid.

I said it didn't play a part in my life !

I imagine it in a jar of formaldehyde, which is brought out frequently to demonstrate India's womanliness.Perhaps it's a teeny jar which lives in India's handbag. Because we all show each other our cervixes, don't we? While we are waiting for the glitter to dry. (I don't know where the glitter is, or what it's for, since I am clearly not a proper woman, but I'd bet there is glitter somewhere, and that it's pink).

That doesn't make sense - "I don't believe in this term therefore it doesn't exist and so that can't be what I'm doing?
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Yes I agree but I'm not "misgendering" as the term plays no part in my life.

And on topic:
no
a man cannot be more of a woman than a woman can.

you are either one (a woman) or you are a man.

There are no other qualifiers: you are a woman or you are not, in which case you are a man.

I’m sure there used to be a Word for these system in sexually reproducing species (mammals).

Oh, there is: dimorphic.

I've managed to track down my deleted post.

I did indeed use the words Arsehole and man.

Oh dear what a pity never mind.

How can this be celebrated as a 50-50?
How does that compute?

As you and others point out: This is what happens and what will happen and Equality of the sexes has become a joke.

No, but some petty 'monitor' can get you deleted on MN for 'misgendering' (probably while fuming that they can't get many other truthful posts deleted).

If any self id law is successfully introduced, will it permit self id to ones real sex? If not, is that discriminatory?

If it does permit it, should we all self id as our real sex? Would that be just a gesture, or would it have any real life consequences, such as clogging up the system, or messing up some statistic in a way that would point out the ridiculousness of a legal sex which may or may not be different from real sex?

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I think India is an excellent example of how cruel and wrong it is to tell people they can change sex because once you exit the Twitter bubble of gender looms and be kind handmaidens, out there in the real world everyone knows you are a man and no amount of screaming and shouting will ever, ever change that. TWAW sets people up for such terrible disappointment and is actually not kind at all.

Nope no sympathy for India. They (Because I don’t want to be deleted again) are a cruel and vindictive person who are encouraging others to believe their utter nonsense. And the morons are falling for it

I totally agree. All this affirmation is cruel because it leads people to an inevitable crisis when they face reality. Those who think a gender critical view point is somehow about hating trans people are very much mistaken. I hate the violent misogyny but I also worry a great deal about the people being broken by believing they can be something they're not. Gender ideology destroys minds and bodies.

I'm sorry but you're answering a different post to what was written here.

And if you can t see that there is a major problem with the fact that women, mothers, parents are being prevented from speaking out where they have safeguarding concerns directly as a result of 'being inclusive of trans people'. That there is absolutely no way to raise these issues without being told you are transphobic, a bigot, need to be educated, or that you just plain have no right to do so in law etc.

This is not a situation those of us with safeguarding concerns created. I can repeat that my concern is not on the basis of men being trans but on the basis of men being men until I'm blue in the face. I am not advocating we treat men who are trans identified any differently to the rest of their sex class. I am arguing that I want no bio men, however they identify, in my daughters' and my singe sex spaces and sports.

It has been made impossible in some circumstances for people to mention where they feel uncomfortable, or where they have concerns, or to point out where they think a safeguarding risk or loophole may be happening. No one should support a situation that makes people afraid to put there hand up and speak up for children and vulnerable people.

They're not the messiah, they're a very naughty boy

But are you a woman? How do you know? If IW is a woman then being a woman isn't down to biology. Apparently being a birthing parent doesn't make you a woman. Maybe you say you're a woman because you've thought about it and you 'feel' like a woman. I'm waiting to hear what this feeling is.

Alternatively we could go back to the original biological definition of woman, agree that IW is a transwoman ( which by definition means you have to be a man) and those of us who really have a cervix are women without having to analyse our feelings.

India’s male entitlement coming through once again

India is best ignored

I feel desperately sorry for India, loathsome as India is. I think they are terribly, terribly unhappy. It must be a kind of hell, screaming into the void at people every day that you are a woman when they know you are not and deep down you do too. I wonder what India’s children must think of their father.

Sorry quotes wrong post- I'm so tired.
Apologies x