Wings Over Scotland: The Grooming of Holyrood

Then you are not a very nice man.

If there's any doubt that you might be distressing a victim, surely there's no harm in redacting?

What is the argument for retaining?

Does Mumsnet need a blue tick system? Maybe I'm not really Pickle. I'd better go and check.

"RSC, you could easily remove the name from the article, and obscure images."

The fact that you've skim-read the post and not bothered to take in or understand what I said in relation to that is, tbh, why I don't intend to get into any fights about it here. I've said my piece, you can all have your own views on it and I don't intend to comment further. Nor do I intend to send, or even risk sending, identifying details of an abuse victim to an unverified email or Twitter address just because they claim to be that person.

There really is no need to expose this woman's name whoever is asking. I don't see any problems with blurring images or blanking out names. There is a strong enough case without it.

Then be a decent human being and a decent man and just amend the bloody article before you enrage a whole load of women just so your precious article isn't changed.

For God's sake man, where is your compassion?

It's a paranoid nightmare all round.

This is also true, if he did contact me re the article previous to it going live it was probably to an email address that Beth once had access to given she completely took over my logins. I don't check those anymore and haven't for years.

@RevStuartCampbell

You have such a strong case without exposing an abused woman’s details.

Did you think that the reason for not answering an email was because she didn’t get it? If this male has such a record for abuse, it makes sense that the person you were trying to contact may be very careful about contacting unknown people or may have abandoned emails etc to escape the abuse.

You literally have my email address because I emailed your representative last night. My mother has also emailed you. You know fine well that it's me.

Tune him out. You don't need to listen.

I know it's easier said than done, but you don't need to let someone else frame the discussion or rules. Just ignore that bit. Stick your metaphorical fingers in your ears.

The horrible thing about this whole shitshow is the way it undermines trust and confidence.

You can't trust
the media (woman found guilty of raping two women)
Other women (is that tall person actually female? Oh yes, thank goodness).
Men, who apparently think it's ok for all this to happen.
Teachers (who tram our DC without our knowledge)
Your colleague who might inform against you
Etc etc.

Bastards.

This @RevStuartCampbell and

In the same vein how do we know you are the author of the piece you could just as well be Beth trying to shut down your victim.

Wether the poster is the young girl you feature or not it isn't that relevant to the rest of your piece. It would have been quicker for you to edit the piece than to come here and write your post.

I am a victim of sexual abuse. This is my worst nightmare being outed by someone when it wasn't relevant to a story, just because of a few posts that still exist online.

"You know Wings Over Scotland - the absolute irony is that right now YOU are a man infiltrating a space for women."

No, I'm visiting one, non-covertly, under my own identity.

"This is a bare faced lie. At no point have I had any communication with you. I have asked for proof of this via email and have not received it."

It's not a lie, and if you were Emrys you would know that. If, on the other hand, you were Beth Douglas and we sent it to you as "proof", we would in fact have revealed information that would be a big help in locating her.

You know Wings Over Scotland - the absolute irony is that right now YOU are a man infiltrating a space for women.

Totally agree with this

I agree.

Thank you.

Including my surname was the biggest mistake imo. But I'm furious that anything is there. What does he have to gain by saying I have detransitioned and am living a peaceful life? What does that add to the story?

Frankly, even if the poster here is not who they say they are, you could still obscure names and face of the person in question without it adversely affecting the article.

This, I agree with.

@picklemewalnuts I'm exhausted. Mumsnet has been so wonderful for me when I left the relationship and now too. I am devastated that he's come in here deciding that I am my own abuser.

I agree.

Frankly, even if the poster here is not who they say they are, you could still obscure names and face of the person in question without it adversely affecting the article.

The relevant details are about Beth, not the other person.

Protecting women is the whole point.

I'm so sorry. You must feel hounded!

Presumably RSC doesn't have adequate contact information and his attempts have gone astray. He may not have lied as such.

There was no point in some one trying to infilitrate here to get one name removed from the article.

But if the aims were not to get the former name of an innocent person mentioned in the article removed, but to derail discussion of the article, to start shit by accusing the author of having “outed a survivor” (thought that was a little odd as the article didn’t out her), to discourage people from sharing it, perhaps even create pressure from GC people for the whole article to be removed, as that account did suggest they wanted…

well, supposing those to be the aims, it was partly successful.

Anyone could infiltrate this thread seeking information. They'd have no need to pretend to be anyone in particular, from what I can see.

I have some sympathy with Wings not wanting to redact the information in the article- it references old details that shouldn't out Emrys where she is now.

I assume the content of the article has reignited the people who harassed her in the past and they've started again. I don't think anything can be done about it now.

If Purple is indeed Emrys, and in distress, then they deserve support and empathy. If they are still being harassed they they need to involve the police and women's aid.
If it's an intruder, well they have learned nothing.