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Nick Timothy in the Telegraph on the GRR

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ResisterRex · 22/01/2023 22:14

He was Joint Chief of Staff under Theresa May:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

"The legislation is part of a trend in which transgenderism and gender fluidity are normalised and made mainstream in culture. This is the kind of cultural context in which charities like Mermaids and even the NHS through its Tavistock clinic helped young people to make irreversible decisions to change their bodiess_. It is how governing bodies allow female sports to be ruined by trans athletes. It is how the BBC website joyfully writes up stories about children becoming drag queens, and cross-dressing men are invited to read to primary school pupils in schools and libraries.

It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

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Swissmountains · 23/01/2023 09:15

Every single day the Telegraph is covering this issue from different angles and with different voices, but all saying the same thing in essence, that this has gone way too far and all are covering the danger to women it presents - the trans movement has been hijacked by men that hate women, and if we needed further proof we only need to look at the photos of the protest which featured actual MPs in Scotland supporting them as the placards called for women to be 'eaten' and 'decapitated'

In just one photo, that did our job for us.

As a country we will not be silenced any longer. Back when Nick was in the government this was all still new and everyone that was anyone in government was cheerleading trans, but it has taken such a dark and twisted turn most politicians have worken up to the dangerous ideology for what it is, everyone that is except for the Labour party - particularly the male LP backbenchers whom treated Rosie Duffield with utter contempt again in parliament. I have the utmost respect for that woman, when this is all over she should be honoured for her bravery and courage to speak up for us.

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 09:11

ChewtonRoad · 23/01/2023 07:43

Apologies, but I can't find my glasses and can only make out a few words. Would someone please tell me what comes after "Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal ..." as I'm not sure I can read the rest of the sentence. Thanks for clearing this up!

Until you find your glasses...

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

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ResisterRex · 23/01/2023 09:08

DarkDayforMN · 23/01/2023 08:26

Is it they need to be out in public to get their sexual thrills?

It seems that the usual pattern with AGP men is that they start off in private then move into public spaces while “dressed” and then start full time laydeeing and saying they are women.

The need to keep escalating is interesting. I guess the trans rights movement constitutes the next stage of escalation in many cases.

The age being middle aged and the apparent need to escalate would seem to point to male pattern sexual offending. Such offending starts off behind closed doors. Boundaries are tested. The male gets bolder and bolder. What normal society deems OK and not OK behaviour in public gets further and further from their mind, and/or they know what's OK and what's not OK. The thrill comes from more and more pushing of the boundaries.

Hence the Stonewall trans umbrella is a public wet dream come true for these males. These autogynephilic males. Autogynephiles. Who are male.

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Nicedayout22 · 23/01/2023 08:48

ChewtonRoad · 23/01/2023 08:26

Ta, Nicedayout22 I thought the quote read "Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies." but wasn't sure.

Brew and Cake for all, with thanks.

Not a problem, accuracy is important: shall I check again to be sure?

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men.

No,that looks accurate...in quoting,of course.

DarkDayforMN · 23/01/2023 08:26

Is it they need to be out in public to get their sexual thrills?

It seems that the usual pattern with AGP men is that they start off in private then move into public spaces while “dressed” and then start full time laydeeing and saying they are women.

The need to keep escalating is interesting. I guess the trans rights movement constitutes the next stage of escalation in many cases.

ChewtonRoad · 23/01/2023 08:26

Ta, Nicedayout22 I thought the quote read "Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies." but wasn't sure.

Brew and Cake for all, with thanks.

Cailin66 · 23/01/2023 08:13

DarkDayforMN · 23/01/2023 01:33

So glad he went there.

I should have been more specific! This is the part I'm grateful for.

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies.

I’d really like to discuss this aspect. How is it that AGP seems to manifest itself so strongly in later life in men? We see it on the trans widows threads. Is it they need to be out in public to get their sexual thrills?

CryInToYourCornflakesNicola · 23/01/2023 08:03

God I spend hours without internet and this happens. I must lose internet more often I think.

Cannot believe a few weeks ago I got told off for virtually nothing and now we can openly state

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men

How things change so quickly.
Man I am happy this morning.

"The wheels on the bus are falling off"🎶

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ResisterRex · 23/01/2023 07:54

Reminds me that this is a very good book on the topic:

Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic Transsexualism (Focus on Sexuality Research) amzn.eu/d/dlTQEIt
amzn.eu/d/dlTQEIt

It's a shame it's so expensive. But I suspect you may be able to track it down second hand or in a library.

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Nicedayout22 · 23/01/2023 07:47

ChewtonRoad · 23/01/2023 07:43

Apologies, but I can't find my glasses and can only make out a few words. Would someone please tell me what comes after "Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal ..." as I'm not sure I can read the rest of the sentence. Thanks for clearing this up!

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men.

any better? HTH😉👍

ChewtonRoad · 23/01/2023 07:43

Apologies, but I can't find my glasses and can only make out a few words. Would someone please tell me what comes after "Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal ..." as I'm not sure I can read the rest of the sentence. Thanks for clearing this up!

picklemewalnuts · 23/01/2023 07:32

Madamedefargelikescrows · 23/01/2023 06:16

Apropos of the possible kink thing I remember reading about the "woman" flashing in Nottingham (I think) and because of the reporting I thought it was a woman who was masturbating all over the place and how unusual that was. It's only in recent months that I learned it was a man and then it made sense. I'd thought that "she" must be drunk, high, or having a mental breakdown. The lack of clarity in the reporting was egregious.

Was this the one trying on clothes and taking photos of themself flashing?

I read they were gay, yet there behaviour seemed very much like Nick's paragraph below!

Can men with AGP be gay?

Does Nick mention 'castration', as we're discussing forbidden things?

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men.

EmpressaurusOfWitchesBackFromTheDead · 23/01/2023 07:17

Boiledbeetlelovesbeautifullybindedbundles · 23/01/2023 01:41

My brain is singing "AGP" to the tune of "here we go, here we go..."

Thanks@DarkDayforMN now mine is as well.

Mine’s singing it to the tune of Agadoo.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2023 07:12

I wonder if he will get ‘deleted’ for it.

Somanysocks · 23/01/2023 07:03

So, we're allowed to say AGP now?

AGP

PermanentTemporary · 23/01/2023 06:29

Nick Timothy finding something to write that isn't about Johnson getting a corrupt loan of £800k or Zadawi 'forgetting' about £27 million...

I don't disagree with him though.

I'll never forgive the lefties who have gifted the Tories such a political distraction.

Walrussy · 23/01/2023 06:28

To be fair to him, which I never thought I'd say about a Tory, it's more than possible that his opinions have changed as he's learned more.

Yes, and the demands for people to educate themselves on trans issues is a bit of a misstep. It was spending 30 minutes on the Reddit mtf subreddit and seeing all the posts about wanting boobs and being turned on by the way they jiggle, and the million claims about getting euphoria boners over themselves that convinced me AGP was completely real.

MrsJamin · 23/01/2023 06:23

Thank you Nick. Now we can call a spade a spade! How succinctly put, no mincin his words and he also explains why it impacts any women in that space.

borntobequiet · 23/01/2023 06:23

Nick Timothy is dreadful in every other way but he’s right on this. I expect he thought it was just silly irrelevant stuff when he was in a position of actual power.

Madamedefargelikescrows · 23/01/2023 06:16

Apropos of the possible kink thing I remember reading about the "woman" flashing in Nottingham (I think) and because of the reporting I thought it was a woman who was masturbating all over the place and how unusual that was. It's only in recent months that I learned it was a man and then it made sense. I'd thought that "she" must be drunk, high, or having a mental breakdown. The lack of clarity in the reporting was egregious.

Madamedefargelikescrows · 23/01/2023 06:11

To be fair to him, which I never thought I'd say about a Tory, it's more than possible that his opinions have changed as he's learned more. I know mine have. I always had concerns, going back to my teens but then they were more about medical intervention and how that seemed barbaric. I thought that maybe Germaine Greer was going a bit too far. I see things differently now. TRAs have actually helped me change my mind on many aspects because their violent pushing of an ideology and throwing lesbians to the wolves made me realise how messed up this was. Also, the number of young lesbians coming out as trans or non binary was evidence of the underlying homophobia of the cult. It became clear that this was dangerous.

Wrt to the article I fear it will be ignored or ridiculed by those at the forefront because it's in The Telegraph which is anathema to them. The whole thing is an utter clusterfuck.

I think he's slightly wrong about the kink. I think it's very much that way for, possibly, the majority of older men. For teens and young men I think it's ideology and discomfort with being gay for the, possible, majority.

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ResisterRex · 23/01/2023 05:51

Morning vipers! I trust you had a pleasant evening. I agree Nick T should have spoken up. Maybe he's had an epiphany. Maybe he disagreed at the time. Who knows.

I'm glad he said this:

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies.

I do not consent.

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SallyLockheart · 23/01/2023 05:10

Wow. Just wow

Clymene · 23/01/2023 04:17

That is an amazing article. No pussyfooting around at all:

The Act involves an obvious dishonesty. For while its title refers to gender, those in receipt of a GRC are allowed to change their recorded sex on their birth certificate – and changing sex is a biological impossibility

And I know I've had posts deleted for writing facts like: Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men.

Bravo Nick

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 23/01/2023 03:30

DarkDayforMN · 23/01/2023 01:33

So glad he went there.

I should have been more specific! This is the part I'm grateful for.

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies.

I agree!

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