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Nick Timothy in the Telegraph on the GRR

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ResisterRex · 22/01/2023 22:14

He was Joint Chief of Staff under Theresa May:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

"The legislation is part of a trend in which transgenderism and gender fluidity are normalised and made mainstream in culture. This is the kind of cultural context in which charities like Mermaids and even the NHS through its Tavistock clinic helped young people to make irreversible decisions to change their bodiess_. It is how governing bodies allow female sports to be ruined by trans athletes. It is how the BBC website joyfully writes up stories about children becoming drag queens, and cross-dressing men are invited to read to primary school pupils in schools and libraries.

It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies."

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Datun · 23/01/2023 17:02

It is how nobody stops to ask how many such men are moved to act in these ways through their own sexual desire. Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men.

The beauty of getting this out there, is that thousands of people will have been looking directly at it, but not quite seeing it, because their Dr Who perception filter has been supplied by Transactivist Inc.

All the dots will be joined together so fucking fast, that they will run into one another and cause a landslide.

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 16:39

I have no idea what happened there!!

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Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies.

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 16:38

@inkjet oh i like that. Yeah tis a shame we can't do it as a permanent thing

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DarkDayforMN · 23/01/2023 16:34

Why is it always said on public debates that bad men ( perverts) may pretend to be trans and get a GRC, while we know ( it is implied) that genuine trans people are never bad (perverted)?

I think that it's because it used to be common knowledge that cross-dressing is a paraphilia for some men, and that paraphiliacs are often dangerous to women. But there's been a very successful propaganda campaign to rebrand that truth as a bigoted stereotype, so it's become blasphemous against the dominant corporate/state religion to say it. Even us nonbelievers have to do little rituals to avoid getting in trouble for blasphemy.

So you have to pretend that it's absolutely unthinkable that a transwoman would be a pervert. Even though clearly some of them are.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/01/2023 14:06

Why is it always said on public debates that bad men ( perverts) may pretend to be trans and get a GRC, while we know ( it is implied) that genuine trans people are never bad (perverted)?

It is just easier to say that among men of any identity whatsoever, including those with a trans identity, there will inevitably be a small minority who are perverts.

inkjet · 23/01/2023 12:45

It’s days like this I wish we had those ticker tape things like on Netmums. Mine would be

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Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies.
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ResisterRex · 23/01/2023 11:56

bignosebignose · 23/01/2023 11:50

Great article. I don't subscribe to the Telegraph but the link in the first post doesn't seem to be paywalled. I wonder if they've opened it up for easier sharing.

Check via here

https://twitter.com/annmsinnott/status/1617426329712103424?s=46&t=difCKZ80Pjj_JNkaXzCieA

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bignosebignose · 23/01/2023 11:50

Great article. I don't subscribe to the Telegraph but the link in the first post doesn't seem to be paywalled. I wonder if they've opened it up for easier sharing.

Apollo441 · 23/01/2023 11:00

Blanchard was never discredited. The TRAs dislike him because he accurately describes the behaviour of a large (majority) of men. They can claim he is disputed (by them, without evidence) but Mumsnet should never have banned the term. If they still have issue then we will simply quote the Daily Telegraph 23/01/23 - unless we are getting into the game of censoring main stream media too.
Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men.

ResisterRex · 23/01/2023 10:48

Accessible via Ann

https://twitter.com/annmsinnott/status/1617426329712103424?s=46&t=difCKZ80Pjj_JNkaXzCieA

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SallyLockheart · 23/01/2023 10:35

Try again

Nick Timothy in the Telegraph on the GRR
SallyLockheart · 23/01/2023 10:34

Reference to sport and the bbc too

SallyLockheart · 23/01/2023 10:33

Another section

Nick Timothy in the Telegraph on the GRR
SallyLockheart · 23/01/2023 10:32

I’ve got a paper copy / it’s brilliant and nails the whole debate. I’ll try posting excerpts fo it.

Nick Timothy in the Telegraph on the GRR
Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 10:32

@IcakedefargeIam

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/01/2023 10:29

Not only is the article brilliant but the comments below are on fire! So many commentators speaking remarkably knowledgeably about feminism, the law, women's rights, child safeguarding and even aspects of sexual fetish!

This is the week to write to our MPs to reinforce that they need to take strong action to resolve this mess.

SinnerBoy · 23/01/2023 10:19

RoyalCorgi · Today 10:07

I'm pleasantly surprised by this piece - he actually gets it.

Yes, this is very good, as well as the fact that this festering pile of ordure is now in the open. I bet that most of us are just waiting for the storm of outrage, but with everything else, the vile threats, the genie will be very difficult to put back in the bottle.

RaininginDarling · 23/01/2023 10:17

Just loving this thread and the wims on it explaining the 'love' that dare not speak its name. It's a common issue among those middle-aged gender confused men trying to remove the privacy, dignity and safety of female people.

RoyalCorgi · 23/01/2023 10:07

I'm pleasantly surprised by this piece - he actually gets it. Like everyone else, I love the autogynephilia para but I'm really impressed by the succinctness and clarity of the whole piece. This sentence beautifully sums up the irony of trans activists claiming they don't pose a threat to women, while threatening women: "Activists threatening feminists with violence and pro-trans MPs intimidating female MPs in Parliament make their critics’ case for them."

Wish he'd been this on the ball while working for Theresa May.

maranella · 23/01/2023 09:42

I can't tell you all how DELIGHTED I am to see this issue being written about in the mainstream press. Women have been vilified for pointing out that many of these adult men who suddenly come out as 'trans' are in fact sexual deviants who get a thrill from dressing as women and are not trans at all. But god forbid anyone who tries to point out the difference.

So thank you Nick Timothy! Better late than never. The lid needs to be blown off all this stuff so that it's not just a small number of people who know about it. Everyone needs to know that there is a difference between the vanishingly small number of genuinely trans people and all the other bandwagon-jumpers who are benefiting from pro-trans changes to our laws and social norms. And many of them are deviants, perverts and sex offenders.

Kucinghitam · 23/01/2023 09:36

I know this will never reach the eyes of the Righteous ostriches (Bad Media! etc), but still WOW that it's there in black-and-white in a mainstream newspaper!

stillsmilingtoday · 23/01/2023 09:36

I’m absolutely thrilled about this, it’s such great news.

Surely this is being talked about because of the constitutional crisis caused by the Scottish trans law, there will be a need to get people on board with the U.K. government’s stance on it. It wasn’t such a grave political issue previously but this has caused a need to become very clear about the facts of the debate.

Thank goodness that this is the issue picked by the Scottish and U.K. parliaments to clash on - there will have to be totally open debate with evidence.

Fingers crossed for all of us. I almost dare to feel hopeful.

Plus this thread is still up! That is certainly cause for celebration. Big hugs to you all, you wonderful, brave women.

ResisterRex · 23/01/2023 09:33

Fiona Hill was the other Joint Head of no10. SFAIK she's only done one interview since leaving (with the Spectator) and is another piece of the puzzle so far as Tories and self-ID goes.

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IcakedefargeIam · 23/01/2023 09:23

Who, when death comes for them, as it comes for us all, will also die as men.

IcakedefargeIam · 23/01/2023 09:21

Still here, still saying

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men.

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