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Sam Smith "lI's a shame"

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zanahoria · 22/01/2023 19:50

Sam Smith: It’s a shame about the Brit Awards, there’s so much female talent

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sam-smith-its-a-shame-about-the-brit-awards-theres-so-much-female-talent-dwqplx69v

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It is a shame but the important thing is that Sam got what he wanted

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SidewaysOtter · 24/01/2023 12:01

A spokeswoman for the Brits...shifted the blame on to the wider music industry, saying there had been “fewer high-profile women artists”

And how many fewer "high profile women artists" will there be when record companies know that they are even less likely now to be nominated for prestigious awards and prizes and invest less in them accordingly?

Giggorata · 24/01/2023 11:14

So he is a massive hypocrite, as well as a massive self obsessed wanker.

Waitwhat23 · 24/01/2023 11:07

Particularly given the large gender pay gap reported by Bunce's employer, Credit Suisse UK -

gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/EmployerReport/uEgujRso/2021

Waitwhat23 · 24/01/2023 11:03

mrshoho · 24/01/2023 10:20

Worse he may decide to be a female on Sundays, Monday and Friday and male on Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday. Reinstate Male and female and win both. Sound farfetched you would think. There's some city twat does just this. Bonkers.

This person. Feels like a woman half the week. I wonder if he gets paid less when he's in 'girl mode'.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gender-fluid-exec-named-on-list-of-top-100-women-in-business-a3942896.html

Jellycats4life · 24/01/2023 10:46

ErrolTheDragon · 24/01/2023 10:38

In which case, Sam can ask for the Male and Female Artist categories to be reinstated for 2024 and then take the Female award. Win win!

Sadly more than likely the 'female' category will reappear only when and if a TW artist demands it.

I can well believe it. This push for the gender neutralisation of everything will only end when male-born people want the word “female”.

ANewDayDawned · 24/01/2023 10:42

@bellinisurge 😂

ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 24/01/2023 10:41

@CorvusPurpureus · Yesterday 14:41

Dickhead.

With a dick to boot so he's a bloke and you can't get away from that. Facts is facts is facts

ErrolTheDragon · 24/01/2023 10:38

In which case, Sam can ask for the Male and Female Artist categories to be reinstated for 2024 and then take the Female award. Win win!

Sadly more than likely the 'female' category will reappear only when and if a TW artist demands it.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/01/2023 10:36

Worse he may decide to be a female on Sundays, Monday and Friday and male on Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday. Reinstate Male and female and win both. Sound farfetched you would think. There's some city twat does just this. Bonkers.

I'm not sure that individual has ever won anything other than women's awards - I guess as a male he's probably not that special.

mrshoho · 24/01/2023 10:20

Jellycats4life · 24/01/2023 10:17

I’ve been thinking for a while that Sam may soon shrug off Sam’s NB identity in favour of coming out as a transwoman.

In which case, Sam can ask for the Male and Female Artist categories to be reinstated for 2024 and then take the Female award. Win win!

Worse he may decide to be a female on Sundays, Monday and Friday and male on Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday. Reinstate Male and female and win both. Sound farfetched you would think. There's some city twat does just this. Bonkers.

Jellycats4life · 24/01/2023 10:17

I’ve been thinking for a while that Sam may soon shrug off Sam’s NB identity in favour of coming out as a transwoman.

In which case, Sam can ask for the Male and Female Artist categories to be reinstated for 2024 and then take the Female award. Win win!

Musomama1 · 24/01/2023 09:44

It is understood that the awards’ organisers would be reluctant to return to separate male and female categories as this would leave them unable tjo nominate non-binary artists.

Still thinking of the less than 0.5% of non binary identities over the 52% Brits? And sure, lack of women is an industry problem? We know this. This is why the one award that allowed for equal representation was so important for all potential nominee's.

Do an open category as a third option, you can include nominees that didn't make it into the Best Act to bump it up because let's face it there are few NB artists and people don't always release music every year anyway.

Please deal with reality Brit awards. Women are already left out of so much present and legacy work - songs are played less than men's and forgotten sooner as a result, they get less festival bookings which are largely booked by men.

I don't give a shit about what the Grammies are doing, one Country's lack of foresight shouldn't be justification for yours.

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zanahoria · 22/01/2023 20:14

"When I was young, if I’d seen more queer people at these awards it would have lit my heart"

I never know what he is going on about

Do plain old fashioned gays like Boy George, Freddie Mercury, Elton John and George Michael count as queer?

Although I don’t think Sam Smith is old enough to be remember this , none of those gay men were ‘out’ to the public at the peak of their success in the early 80’s.

Let’s not forget how much (thankfully) attitudes have changed.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/01/2023 23:19

From the times piece :
It is understood that the awards’ organisers would be reluctant to return to separate male and female categories as this would leave them unable to nominate non-binary artists

Of course you can, you muffins. Two gender neutral categories, one for males, one for females. That's 100% fully inclusive and equitable.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/01/2023 23:15

nepeta · 23/01/2023 20:59

From the very beginning of this trend (gender identity to replace sex) I was worried, because if the sexes actually were fully equitably treated, if misogyny didn't exist etc. then it would be fine to throw away the old terms referring to sex and to replace it with lifestyle-related terms (though why those would matter any more than someone's political associations, favourite colours etc. is unclear).

But the sexes very much are not equitably treated. The extreme example is Afghanistan, but all countries have space for improvement, and several are going in the wrong direction.

I feared (and was proved right) that this fundamental shift would soon start making (female) women's lot worse.

But 'equitable' treatment will always depend on sex in some areas - sport being the obvious example.

Grammarnut · 23/01/2023 22:43

He knew the likely consequence. Yuk.

BettyFilous · 23/01/2023 22:25

Dropping to post this in case a sharetoken is needed:

Brit Awards review gender neutrality after all-male artist list

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4fd8f0f6-9a7f-11ed-8201-2ed91f44d1e8?shareToken=64695b94f74e17893de563ae3d53ae5c

nepeta · 23/01/2023 20:59

From the very beginning of this trend (gender identity to replace sex) I was worried, because if the sexes actually were fully equitably treated, if misogyny didn't exist etc. then it would be fine to throw away the old terms referring to sex and to replace it with lifestyle-related terms (though why those would matter any more than someone's political associations, favourite colours etc. is unclear).

But the sexes very much are not equitably treated. The extreme example is Afghanistan, but all countries have space for improvement, and several are going in the wrong direction.

I feared (and was proved right) that this fundamental shift would soon start making (female) women's lot worse.

CorvusPurpureus · 23/01/2023 14:41

Dickhead.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 23/01/2023 14:24

UWhatNow · 22/01/2023 22:21

I’ll really be cross when it starts prancing around thinking it’s a fringed lamp shade…

It’s a better female than you, anyway, ‘ cos it has four legs . Oh and a table top. And you can leave your keys on it. So there.

and it you say it isn’t, it will lurch out and give you a nasty bruise.

ArcaneWireless · 23/01/2023 14:19

'the flair o' TK Max' 😂

Quality

ClaudiusTheGod · 23/01/2023 13:10

He's a beefy bloke and there's nothing wrong with that. It fits with the voice that sounds like air being slowly released from a balloon.

😂

JeannieDark · 23/01/2023 12:58

Since the shortlist was announced I've made a conscious effort to listen specifically to female artists - so at least they get the royalties if not the awards recognition - it's Spotify so it's a pittance but it's my small effort.

FrancescaContini · 23/01/2023 12:58

Yes, just fuck off you self obsessed bore