“You don’t get to decide whether you’re transphobic or not and you don’t get to decide you’re an ally”

Agreed. The case of the transman who almost died of kidney failure because medics were treating their condition using male kidney function ranges because the transman failed to inform medics that they are female is an example of that.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=yI6qvQtrTU8

Ricky Gervais sums it up perfectly

(and anyone being 'trans' or otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with it, btw. It's just about making a judgement of someone being saved or damned.).

“You don’t get to decide whether you’re transphobic or not and you don’t get to decide you’re an ally”

This statement is correctly describing what the words 'transphobic' and 'ally' actually mean, as used by the gender movement.

They are not tied to the meanings that anyone would ordinarily expect.

What it's really doing is describing the power hierarchy.

It's declaring that they have the power to judge and decide your fate - whether you are saved or damned.

It's stating that they are the self declared priest who decides your worthiness. So in other words, it's a statement of domination, to which they expect you to submit. It's almost clever, in that it implies a moral structure (nobody wants to be 'phobic') - but morality has nothing to do with it. It's about power.

That's all.

Sure, but this also works in reverse.
Someone shouldn't be able to declare another person a racist when their words and actions do not demonstrate any such thing.

It's just bullying.

The NHS does not have a crystal ball or the time or capacity for all this running around after people unwilling to face the realities of their body.

Those who choose to change their sex markers are going to have to take some responsibility and make it clear in their care what their biological sex actually is. If they are unable to do this, then this can no longer be termed as 'not a mental health condition', and changing sex markers will have to come with specific information to medical providers, and tags on medical records. The whole wanting cake and eating it too is getting very old now.

Has the phrase "I'm not racist, but..." ever been followed by something that isn't racist? Not that I've ever heard anyway. You don't get to declare that you're not racist, you demonstrate it in the way you treat people. Any other prejudice is the same

i can absolutely say ‘i am not racist’ there is no need to follow that statement up

i can absolutely declare that i am not racist BUT as you say how i speak or treat people will offer proof of that to other people and potentially myself

Given that sex markers can be changed on NHS records and a new NHS number issued, there's a real issue (acknowledged by 'trans health' organisations such as GenderGP) that transpeople will not be invited to the health screening relevant to their sex.

And on the other side of that, they may be invited to screening which is not relevant for their sex. India Willoughby proudly posted their letter inviting them for cervical screening despite the fact that India does not have a cervix (because India is male) and, despite India's insistence, has not grown one.

Some (most?) trans activists see things in a very black and white way. There can be #nodebate and people are either good or bad. You are either a trans ally and on board 100%, or you are a transphobic bigot who should be shunned. And many people, especially those with a public profile are pestered to pick a side.

I have no problem acknowledging when someone I dislike says something correct, or when someone I admire says something I disagree with. For example, I generally admire Greta Thunberg and agree with most of what she says, but I disagree with one of her recent statements. That’s OK. That should be normal.

If I've understood correctly, Maggie Chapman et al say women can't be sure about their sex because they haven't had their chromosomes tested. Obviously that will be be very expensive, carrying out chromosomal tests on half the population.

But isn't this an easy answer to the situation? All transwomen get their chromosomes tested. For free, of course. Then they and we can all be certain what sex they are.

When someone says they find a word or action offensive we should listen.

I had absolute sympathy with this and full agreement. Until. I realised that it was not reciprocal, and was about controlling what I was permitted to say to powerful people, who felt entitled to offend me and use any word they felt like.

Likewise 'we should not coercively label others' and 'be kind', they are not truly held, equal values extended to all.

They are the means by which a group holds the power to coerce and abuse others. This is the means by which we now have a situation where a woman can be arrested for pointing out biological reality in the way that the powerful group dislikes, but a man from this same powerful group can stand in public with a sign advocating murder, and be applauded by truly stupid politicians.

I understand what you mean but Tbh I'm not sure racism DOES need malice. My gran was the nicest person you'd meet, would never have described herself as racist and genuinely held no malice towards anyone but the things she'd come out with sometimes were very definitely racist!

Trans people are sacred! You don't get to question them, you lowly cis worm! /sarc

There are two different debates here.

One is the trans debate, and one is the what is offensive debate.

Leaving the trans debate aside for one moment we could do well to recall that 50 years ago or so, it was common place to use language that today most people would not even think of using. The words were shown to be racist and the use of the words stopped. It wouldn’t have stopped had people these words were being used about hadn’t said that they found it offensive. When someone says they find a word or action offensive we should listen.

However the trans debate has taken this far too far. Buying books or a game devised by someone who said something you don’t like is your choice to make, not a choice to force onto others.

What's going to happen as trans people get older and start getting the usual cancers we all get -say prostate cancer which many men get and can be treated successfully for.

Will trans women sue as not treated for it? Invited for tests etc?

Good analogy !

Ooh see now that’s an interesting thought experiment. Because you’d be simultaneously agreeing with their ideology (Cis) while also being proud to be a woman (which is, of course, transphobic.

Some heads would explode.

So, away from the male people then?

So if I wore a t-shirt with ‘CIS AND PROUD’ printed on it, would I be displaying my pride that I’m a woman, or, that I’m supposedly a transphobe?

And of course some of it stems from that group of males who identify as women that we’re not allowed to name and their narcissistic rage when people won’t comply with their fantasy (and that is exactly what it is). Stating the truth entirely spoils the pleasure they get from validation because they’re no longer being validated.

Anyone else remember this?
www.google.co.uk/search?q=its+maam&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari

Bloody hell. And that news story took me through to the link where Sturgeon was reported to talking about not seeing why the age to purchase alcohol shouldn't be reduced to 16.... (obviously backtracking now!)

I’ve read a lot in this subject but your post is absolutely right isn’t it!! Complete cherry picking of the areas that suit but otherwise a demand to be treated as their biological sex. That’s a complete mind fuck isn’t it?!

What @EmpressOfTheSofa said. The word transphobe/transphobia is used to silence people. No-one wants to be thought of as horrid or bigoted or whatever, so the word had power. It is, to coin a phrase a "thought terminating cliche". Transphobia bears zero resemblance to homophobia which is what people are really worried about. I have stopped caring if the word is used for me. I just shrug at the lobbing of the T word. The silencing only works if you allow it to.

This is what happens when people’s egos are so fragile and their whole identity is built around everyone else’s total compliance with their own view of themselves.
The psychology of it is quite interesting. The ideology itself is just batshit crazy and transphobia now means whatever a trans person says it means.