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“You don’t get to decide whether you’re transphobic or not and you don’t get to decide you’re an ally”

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AuuYSC · 22/01/2023 07:37

Then who does?

This was said to me by a transman when I said that buying a video game (hogwarts legacy) doesn’t define a persons morals and personal beliefs (because let’s face it, nothings really ethical unless you live off the grid completely) which of course was met with a stream of abuse and how I don’t care about trans lives.

I pointed out that actually I do, I am gender critical and I don’t think JK Rowling is transphobic but I also appreciate that trans people do face danger and need protection and I also think they have a right to be who they want to be. I’m also part of the lgbtq community and donate to the local youth club (I’ll admit it’s not just the trans people who benefit from my donation but it helps the whole community).

Am I wrong in thinking that the trans community are actually causing more harm to themselves with this game boycott because judging by the pre order sales (and the millions of people that visit HP world and theme parks and buys all the merch) that actually there isn’t a lot of people on their side and by telling people what they can and can’t do, saying they’re transphobic etc for simply buying a game or spending their money isn’t making the point they think it is?

It just really made me think about what the end goal is here, do they really think being treat as the biological sex they identify with, will help them?

Imagine if we all said okay trans men are men and trans women are women and we’ll treat them like such - trans men will be put into male prisons and wards (imagine how that’ll go), medical treatment will be restricted only to biological sex so if you’re a transman you can’t have smears because men don’t have a cervix etc obviously it’s absolutely ridiculous and won’t happen but I just don’t see the benefit of the whole “transwomen are women” stance, I think they sound be treat as trans people and we look at options for them like a third toilet option or a third sports category etc something that will benefit them without causing harm to biological men and women.

Sorry I went onto a bit of a rant, I’ve never considered myself to be transphobic but I guess if it’s not something I can decide for myself then who knows.

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picklemewalnuts · 24/01/2023 07:09

Now you've reminded me that I identify as an athletic person with a fast metabolism that can eat a mars a day with no ill consequences. <sobs into pillow>.

Seriously, all us slim women trapped in obese bodies... where's our medical intervention?

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 24/01/2023 04:36

Haha! Do you identify as hot? That is all that matters. 😉

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 21:24

Ooh you didn't mean that sort of hot did you. As you were

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 21:24

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 23/01/2023 21:20

Shit. Cross posted with the hot beetle.

Why your not to bad yourself handsome

😘

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 23/01/2023 21:20

Shit. Cross posted with the hot beetle.

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 23/01/2023 21:20

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/01/2023 21:46

It fascinates me that women's humour is not allowed in this stuff.

"we're going to guillotine you" = joke

"fuck off, why would I be bothered by your opinion you eejit" = GHASTLY LACK OF SELF AWARENESS FROM A WOMAN WHO SHOULD BE KIND.

"Men fear women because they might laugh at them.
Women fear men because they might kill them."

SinnerBoy · 23/01/2023 20:31

@Boiledbeetle

😃

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 23/01/2023 19:50

Capitulation without exception.

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 19:37

@SinnerBoy shit youre right.

SinnerBoy · 23/01/2023 19:27

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 19:28

That's it sorry that's all I've got I've yet to find an argument that goes past that

That would have made more sense without the last four words...

Boiledbeetle · 23/01/2023 19:13

BearingFalseWitness · 23/01/2023 18:14

They are terrified of women’s mocking and humour because they absolutely cannot laugh at themselves as it bursts the illusion.

Our role is just to tell everyone how wonderful they are and mop their fevered brow.

NO.

What's that saying?

Men are afraid women will laugh at them
Women are afraid men will kill them

Delphinium20 · 23/01/2023 19:12

Thesonglastslonger · 22/01/2023 17:02

There’s no point expecting irrational people full of hate to have a sensible conversation.

The people now shrieking “transphobe!” at everyone who refuses to obey them, have ancestors in their family tree who burned the most intelligent/vulnerable women in the village as witches.

Promise you.

I wouldn't doubt it.

Delphinium20 · 23/01/2023 18:50

When someone calls you a name, it means they've already lost the debate because they ran out of reasonable arguments.

I, for one, think it's relatively easy to argue when something appears sexist or racist. I've had things I didn't know were considered racist explained to me and 9/10 it made perfect sense or I learned a new thing about history or culture. The opposite happens the more people try to explain transgender ideology to me. It's not based on supporting evidence and it never makes sense.

If someone disagrees with me, I expect them to have some arguments and data to explain why. "That's transphobia!" without explanation isn't the gotcha they think it is.

BearingFalseWitness · 23/01/2023 18:14

They are terrified of women’s mocking and humour because they absolutely cannot laugh at themselves as it bursts the illusion.

Our role is just to tell everyone how wonderful they are and mop their fevered brow.

NO.

Boiledbeetlelovesbeautifullybindedbundles · 22/01/2023 23:53

14th October 1793

"Watch what you say in there or it'll be the guillotine for you Marie....oh come on I was only having a laugh...where's your sense of humour?"

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/01/2023 21:46

It fascinates me that women's humour is not allowed in this stuff.

"we're going to guillotine you" = joke

"fuck off, why would I be bothered by your opinion you eejit" = GHASTLY LACK OF SELF AWARENESS FROM A WOMAN WHO SHOULD BE KIND.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 22/01/2023 20:40

Why SHOULD she be apologetic for her views, particularly in the face of appalling abuse?
Not saying she should be apologetic, just saying I can see why not everyone wants to contribute any more to her sales and that's individual choice

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 22/01/2023 20:39

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 22/01/2023 16:58

And to compare a trans persons struggle to the civil rights movement just demonstrates how utterly privileged these people really are.
Nobody has compared the two at all though.
They're completely separate.
Prejudice comes in several different forms though and that's what's being pointed out.

It absolutely has been compared before not on this thread, I'll grant you

WhiteFire · 22/01/2023 19:50

DerekFaker · 22/01/2023 19:28

Anyway this isn't about people choosing not to spend their own money on something. It's about people trying to bully others for their choices.

Absolutely. I don't use Amazon, I never tell anyone else they shouldn't, let alone start some kind of bullying campaign.

DerekFaker · 22/01/2023 19:28

Anyway this isn't about people choosing not to spend their own money on something. It's about people trying to bully others for their choices.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2023 19:28

SidewaysOtter · 22/01/2023 19:25

But then I see tweets asking how do you sleep at night?" and her answering "I just look at my royalty cheques" and I can completely see why people feel the way they do too and don't want to contribute with any new sales.*

Why SHOULD she be apologetic for her views, particularly in the face of appalling abuse?

Because!

That's it sorry that's all I've got I've yet to find an argument that goes past that

SidewaysOtter · 22/01/2023 19:25

But then I see tweets asking how do you sleep at night?" and her answering "I just look at my royalty cheques" and I can completely see why people feel the way they do too and don't want to contribute with any new sales.*

Why SHOULD she be apologetic for her views, particularly in the face of appalling abuse?

Theunamedcat · 22/01/2023 18:44

StephanieSuperpowers · 22/01/2023 18:37

No, she needs to accept the righteous judgement of the right side of history, pipe down like a proper woman and be grateful for the opportunity to learn and grow

There is more than one side to history

Theunamedcat · 22/01/2023 18:43

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 22/01/2023 16:56

I genuinely donate to the local lqbtq youth club local to me and I’m going into a profession that helps trans people quite a lot but because I buy a game I’m transphobic?
For what it's worth, I'm a big Harry Potter fan and have been since the first book came out so get where you're coming from wanting to play the game - I still enjoy watching the films ( not read the books for ages though)
But then I see tweets asking *how do you sleep at night?" and her answering "I just look at my royalty cheques" and I can completely see why people feel the way they do too and don't want to contribute with any new sales.

Why should she have trouble sleeping? Peoples lack of comprehensive reading skills does not make her a terf bigot or murderer

Besides those numbers must be huge she is bound to fall asleep before the end like counting sheep

MeanCanadianLady · 22/01/2023 18:41

StephanieSuperpowers · 22/01/2023 18:37

No, she needs to accept the righteous judgement of the right side of history, pipe down like a proper woman and be grateful for the opportunity to learn and grow

yes just let men parading around in woman face tell her how to think and behave. They’ll tell us what a proper woman is!