Sunday Morning Live BBC TOMORROW 10:30; Scottish GRA Reform, no female lawyers on panel

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude 🤣

@Ereshkigalangcleg i think they honestly thought, "we can't NOT do it now we said we would. But I don't want to do it, do you? Look how many people have really excellent valid and articulate objections but they're not in line with the scary people who will send death threats? How can we do this? Just speak really fast, don't let any of them really talk much at all and then wrap it up! And although we asked everyone for their opinion and said they could call in during the show, do not, whatever you do, actually read any of it out!"

And thanks for your comment in the aibu thread @Ereshkigalangcleg I couldn't reply.

Chaz

You know what's going to happen if you make bundle jokes, don't you?

Apparently, RMW was told to bundle up well against the cold and it all went downhill from there...

Noticed this. Trans people cannot be questioned because you are trans if you say you are. That's it.

Ella Whelan was excellent.

Do you think they said last night, "shhhiiiiit. We can do it but so quickly that hopefully we can gloss over the whole thing..."

It does seem that way.

Definitely got the feeling the presenter was having a WTF moment during it all

Notbad

Robin was probably meant to be on the show, had definitely prepared to be on the show, but definitely wasn’t responsible for the preparation being of poor quality because that’s not Robin’s job to organise and hence didn’t make it.

Probably.

Do you get the feeling that the twitter response to their post was a bit surprising to them? They realised they'd bitten off more than they could chew?

They bigged up this segment and then barely gave it any time at all, barely explored the issues, had a very naive presenter asking the questions...

Do you think they said last night, "shhhiiiiit. We can do it but so quickly that hopefully we can gloss over the whole thing..."

Note the shoehorning in of the idea that trans has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. What is it then?

I watched it. I was very impressed with Ellie, whom I haven't come across before. She got many of the important points in, in a very calm and articulate manner. I hope we hear more from her, because she was great. Hera - who tried to muddy the argument by talking about men of colour was entirely disingenuous. And the young trans woman who has now become the face of this campaign it seems, who is everywhere, either didn't know the facts about legal sex or was being economical with the truth. Hayton was alright. No sign of Robin White.

Nothing on RMW's feed as to why the no-show

That was horrendous! Absolutely horrendous. The presenter started it with such a weird framing too.

So many undefined phrases, "acquired gender" "living as" "gender based violence"

No mention of sports AT ALL

Where was RMW?

RMW wasn't there?

Yup. DH incredulous.

"But doesn't the NHS need to know your anatomy?"

"How come you can change a birth certificate"

SUNLIGHT!

😎

He introduced Gomersal as Eddie!

Absolutely hilarious 🤣

Anyone else watched it? My god, the level of 'debate' was pathetic. I was shouting at the TV.

Who was that Hera ? woman who ended on 'women in this country used to be frightened of black men'? Which was right at the end and went totally unchallenged.

The interviewer wasn't up to it either. Who briefs them? I know, 21yo woke interns.

What happened to Robin White who I expected to be there?

Gah!

None of these male people are going to come across as women to the majority of the watching public, at least.

By Gormersall:

The gender bill won’t affect you, but it will make life a bit easier for trans people like me

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/965b7f60-9914-11ed-ae85-8165ffa85053?shareToken=390801ab4073c5dce3ef1481219a56e9

The top comment with 769 votes:

"The bill would have no effect on most of the population? It would mean vulnerable disabled and elderly women needing intimate care had to accept a male carer because they self identified as female. It would mean girls getting all the benefits of a single-sex education would suddenly have young males self identifying as females in their sixth forms. It would mean women with ptsd triggered by men after being raped would have to sit beside them in rape support groups - or sleep in the next room in women’s shelters. And it would mean that any single one of us, male or female, who spoke the evidence of our own two eyes about an individual’s sex would be labelled transphobic, and quite possibly convicted of a “hate crime”.
No effect?"

Second one with 509:

"I’m afraid I have to respectfully disagree with your idea that women have not been harmed, because only look at the accounts of women’s prisons to demonstrate this is absolutely not the case."

Sean Fletcher couldn't stop blinking when he was looking at Ellie talking! Took his brain a while to cope with the dissonance.

So many people started at being kind. But to say that the majority of people support trans people is only superficially true.

When the actualities of this support is probed, then no. Only an extreme minority, for whatever reason, support the current demands that are presented as ‘trans rights’.

This. It's a lie, and I'm tired of it. Gaslighting. Women support fluffy, meaningless statements like "everyone should be able to identify as the gender they want to". The majority of women do not support males in women's spaces unless they have had what used to be called "sex change surgery", ie they have had their penis inverted to form a simulacrum of a vagina. Obviously they can't have an actual vagina, as it connects to a whole female reproductive system that males don't have.

Also, the majority of women do not support making it easier to get a GRC. They do not support giving GRCs or puberty blockers to children. They do not support males competing against females in non mixed sports.

So, it's a half truth. All they support is that some males can call themselves women, and if they have full physical surgery, they can use women's spaces. I disagree, but I'm not going to lie about the majority view, unlike trans rights activists.

I'm going to c&p a post I've just written on the AIBU thread which has just maxed out. It covers everything I want to say about TRA use of "more women support trans rights".

Gomersal, bloke, Hayton, bloke

Seriously? Fuck that.