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Janice Turner in the Times

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Igneococcus · 21/01/2023 06:45

"‘It might never happen, love’ is no basis for law" Janice to the point, as ever.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2a58f174-9902-11ed-91ab-4070465550ba?shareToken=51cc190e62095381b1443a5d3141eb0e

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howmanybicycles · 21/01/2023 09:41

Though for me, the issue is not just 'men' in women's spaces. Eddie Izzard, for example, feels no safer than any other male in my intimate spaces. I don't want others deciding for me that Eddie unseeable personal interpretation of a gender identity entitles him to use spaces dedicated for women. I don't believe that sexist stereotypes should be perpetuated so I genuinely can't see any difference bewteen him and other males.

Villagetoraiseachild · 21/01/2023 09:40

Thank you for sharing this. Thank you Janice Turner.
Stunning piece of writing, beautifully encapsulates what needs to be known, read, understood and acted upon.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2023 09:40

It's a fantastically on point article.

howmanybicycles · 21/01/2023 09:39

Awesome Janice!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2023 09:33

There is also this article in the Scotland section:
"Voters both sides of border oppose Scotland’s gender reform, poll shows"

It's really interesting that in the poll a majority of people support "making changes to the current process of obtaining a gender recognition certificate" but not the actual proposed changes to open it up to more people. Maybe they actually want the process tightened up, rather than made easier!

Parmavi0lets · 21/01/2023 09:21

Apologies for the incoherent rant there. @mnhq pls sort out the issue with Samsung Internet, it is immensely frustrating!

MissMarplesbag · 21/01/2023 09:20

Sausagenbacon · 21/01/2023 08:39

After AC said that GC women were like 'red-faced golf club bores', in The Rest is Politics, and RS vaguely bleated, I stopped listening to it.

Looks like AC and his mates are the red faced, golf club bores he was complaining about.

Thank you Janice 💐

Parmavi0lets · 21/01/2023 09:20

Many thanks for sharing this. For once I am putting my money where my mouth as and going to buy today's Times

Christ @mnhq there was more in wamted to say but wtf is finnvruttuallt impossible to post anything. yoyeru and samdung innet? It's

Merrilydancing · 21/01/2023 09:12

Another fantastic article, clearly articulates the issues surrounding GRR.

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 21/01/2023 09:01

Weird that men like Alistair Campbell and Lloyd Russell Moyle have so much faith in their fellow men not to abuse loop holes or special status. I take it they've not bothered to follow the stories about police rapists?

And seeing how Russell Moyle used his physical presence to intimidate Miriam Cates in parliament, I would say he is precisely the kind of man I never want to share an enclosed space with.

Abccde · 21/01/2023 08:52

The journalists who have now started asking proper questions

I've not seen that yet. The same journalist who have always known what are going in are asking the same excellent questions they always have.

The (mainly male) journalists are still not asking the right questions or understanding the issue.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/01/2023 08:50

Janice is amazing. she has been on this for years and she's so clear

fuck knows how anyone could read that and still think gender woo is in anyway a good idea

FrancescaContini · 21/01/2023 08:43

Sausagenbacon · 21/01/2023 08:39

After AC said that GC women were like 'red-faced golf club bores', in The Rest is Politics, and RS vaguely bleated, I stopped listening to it.

Pot, kettle, black…has anyone seen AC’s documentary on AC’s depression? Self absorbed, insufferable bore. No idea how his wife - who features in the documentary - stands him. And the sex writing 🤦‍♀️😂 he did when younger…

Slothtoes · 21/01/2023 08:42

I remember how in the New Labour years women in NI were told to shut up about wanting abortion rights there, because to give them the same rights as the women in the rest of the UK had had since the 1960s (it was asserted) would have threatened the Good Friday agreement. Plus ca change

Sausagenbacon · 21/01/2023 08:40

I mean , when they discussed it a few months ago

Sausagenbacon · 21/01/2023 08:39

After AC said that GC women were like 'red-faced golf club bores', in The Rest is Politics, and RS vaguely bleated, I stopped listening to it.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/01/2023 08:31

Janice is fabulous as alwsys

apparently Campbell discussed it with Rory Stewart on the rest is politics this week & said it was basically all too difficult and nuanced. Good thing Labour never tried to tackle anything difficult and nuanced like peace in Northern Ireland when Campbell was advising the government - oh wait!!!

BingBongSong · 21/01/2023 08:26

I always look forward to Janice's (and now Hadley's) articles in The Times. This one was spot on as usual. Thanks, Janice and OP for sharing.

newtowelsplease · 21/01/2023 08:26

I'm stuck with it for a couple more months but also cancelling then

teawamutu · 21/01/2023 08:22

newtowelsplease · 21/01/2023 07:58

Fabulous piece. I hope Janice sees this thread as i won't comment on the times website any more due to the requirement to use my own name.

I've just cancelled my subscription for the same reason.

RaininSummer · 21/01/2023 08:09

That was a good read. Thanks for posting it.

lordloveadog · 21/01/2023 08:08

Janice Turner is a fantastic writer.

Blort · 21/01/2023 08:07

FigRollsAlly · 21/01/2023 07:59

Great piece. I didn’t know that Alistair Campbell had admonished Laura K for covering this, what a pompous git he is.

He said she spent too long asking KS about the issue

Whyjustwhy123 · 21/01/2023 08:03

Great article, finding these articles (like the one by Rosie also) so helpful for me to articulate my own argument with others and also share with others who may think (obviously mistakenly) that MN is not a serious source of information.

FigRollsAlly · 21/01/2023 07:59

Great piece. I didn’t know that Alistair Campbell had admonished Laura K for covering this, what a pompous git he is.