Radio 4 AntiSocial - Brits gender neutral awards and non-binary

Wasn’t it illustrative that since the Grammy’s dropped male and female categories in 2013 that only 13% of subsequent winners have been female. The move to ensure no non binary person would be offended by being nominated in a sexed category has led to the erasure of winning females. Subsequent huge financial losses with less exposure. What was astounding was how Charlie the NB gave these statistics without seemingly being aware that they were the problem too.

Someone female blithering on about whose nipples are allowed on Meta, and saying it is unfair to nbs trans queer people

huh? My understanding is that their policy is explicitly pandering nonsense. Female nipples are allowed if the nipple owner claims to be nb or trans. How is a TRA managing to extract victimhood from that?

I guess nature finds a way.

And then we were three Ramblingnamechanger.

I heard the Meta segment too WinterTrees and had the same reaction of grim amusement.

Apologies *winterTrees, failed to see your comment before posting.

A very weird interview on world at one radio 4 today. Someone female blithering on about whose nipples are allowed on Meta, and saying it is unfair to nbs trans queer people . Extraordinary nonsense to the point where the presenter talked about under age adults! No idea what any of the points were but utterly irrelevant for a major news programme. It wasn’t Sarah Montague.

It's so dangerous. My youngest boy is a clearly less athletic in his body than his older wiry brother. I don't want him to think he's "less" of a boy or a man due to his body.

It's so depressingly sexist and clearly driven by commercialism and visual media.

Smith thinks a man can only 'look' a certain way.

at least they have three females discussing.

The Nb person saying they can't get married. <eye roll> It's all fake issues. A need to have "an issue" that people can applaud and pom pom wave for them.

Sam smith is so sexist.

Charlie did a good job of illustrating social contagion and the influence one strong character in a friendship group and watching a load of videos can have on someone who feels that they don't fit in.

She came across as surprisingly feminine. Much more feminine that most of the young women I know who know that they are female, but don't want to be limited by gendered stereotypes and society's expectations.

Let me guess. They were both white, weren't they? And middle class. And they'd been to university.

A surfeit of Sams

I only caught a few minutes too (my kitchen is very noisy today) but I did hear Victoria Derbyshire slip up and call Sam Smith him. She then did a very clumsy correction to they, but in the context of the sentence (which I can't remember without listening) it should have been them. Poor Victoria. I bet she didn't foresee all this bollocksy bollocks when she was just being kind on her TV show to poor TW criminals who were sad about being in men's prisons.

Is anyone listening to R4 now? I've just heard a tiny bit of an item that seemed to be about Meta (the instagram and Facebook platform) being transphobic because it can't distinguish between a non-binary nipple and a female one. (Of course, female nipples are banned on account of women's bodies being highly sexual, whereas those clever NBs have identified out of all that degrading nonsense and display their nipples for Art.) Again, I missed a lot of it because of noise and disruption here, but it sounded like it might be worth a listen again to marvel at the madness.

Sam Ryder, the one wot didn't win Eurovision

Sorry, Derbyshire.

Sam Ryder I think.

Are you confusing Sam Smith with Sam Fender?

That was a really frustrating ending. The whole sex matters issue was highlighted when Nicky said that there is a need for safeguarding in the music industry following MeToo. Victoria Darbyshire even corrected herself for using gender when she should have said sex. There was no time to ask the non-binary Charlie about how women could be protected if they can't be defined by their sex.

I dunno. I think Sam Smith nailed specialness in that spangly silver jumpsuit.

I’m confused about NB people not being able to get married?

when nonbinary people are being oppressed in a manner which cruelly prevents them from doing something or other, it usually means that some computer system or document is recording their sex.

(Although if 'something or other' involves clothes or haircuts, as it frequently does, it may just mean that no one has yet invented the outfit that can adequately signal to the world how special they are.)

I only caught a few seconds of it - Sam thingy Spaceman saying he was non-binary. I thought 'Can't I just like the song?' and switched off.

It’s worth listening to the last 5 minutes when they are summing up - Nicky addresses the elephant in the room by getting Victoria Derbyshire to clarify that women are disadvantaged by their sex, not their gender.

Well quite. Nobody cares about your gender when conducting a marriage or civil ceremony.

Like Kirsten, I just turned to another station - so much self-indulgence and so little common sense.

Re the Sam Smith 'feminine curves' - someone responded on Twitter that what he had was 'Chippy t!ts'

I have friends whose NB adult child (with a penis) married a NB adult (with a cervix). Both wore suits and the bearded one wore flowers in their (blue) hair.

It was quite a big wedding/reception.