Alberta MtF transgender wants assisted suicide after sexual reassignment surgery goes sour

I need to reiterate something here.

Lois was nineteen when they had this procedure. Barely 14 years later, Lois is applying for assisted dying.

I know it's easy to dismiss that as "an adult", but on other threads, people consider their 19 year olds unable to budget their own money for a month. If I started a thread posing as the parent of a 19 year old uni student, and I asked whether I had an obligation to bail him out after he'd spent a month's money in the first week, lots of posters would say yes!

People would tell me it was very difficult for a 19 year old to make medium-term predictions, like "if I spend this money on going-out clothes now, I won't be able to afford decent food in two weeks' time". How can it be okay for society to be more laid-back when we consider whether someone of the same age can consider the long-term consequences of surgery?

The original cohort of Dutch adolescents who were puberty blocked are now in their 30s or so. The original team is meant to be releasing a follow up very soon (they’ve said it’s coming) but they have a high rate of lost to follow up patients which will make the data even more poor quality.

And the original Dutch researchers have stated publicly that what they consider to be a good outcome is quite limited in their minds; if a patient says their gender dysphoria is better, then it’s a success. They’ve said they don’t think other issues like poor surgical outcomes, lack of relationships, other mental health issues etc would mean that medical transition of adolescents is a failure.

With regards to “neovaginas” one of the original Dutch cohort died at aged 18 following a vaginoplasty. The patient died of necrotising fasciitis from E.Coli, a bowel bacteria. Such a horrible way to die, your insides going rapidly necrotic 😞.

And with regards to Jazz Jennings, we don’t need to wait for years, the complications are already there and Jazz talks about it. Jazz will never father children. Jazz has never had an orgasm. Jazz needed multiple surgical revisions. Jazz’s mother spoke on camera about having to force Jazz to wake up and dilate. Jazz is overweight with an eating disorder and mental health issues.

Jazz is 22 years old. 10-12 years on from puberty blockers. 6 years on from surgery. If Jazz had had none of that, Jazz would be a physically healthy 22 year old gay male going to college and doing all the normal things 22 year old males do.

But instead Jazz has a lifetime of medical complications to deal with, because there will need to be a fix, for the fix, for the fix. The list will only increase sadly.

And this is where we end up when medical practictioners, pyschologists and individuals collude in a lie - that humans can change sex.

A very special 21st century medical scandal - this century's version of a lobotomy. It truly is a mad world.

no worries, i get confused all the time (and usually forget to bold anyway)
all good :)

(not sure why you're addressing that to me - I've heard the claim before but i wasn't talking about it, just quoting)

I would hope that each individual is assessed and treated as an individual and all risks and downsides clearly and repeatedly explained.
I am not surprised, reading this thread, that so few trans people opt for surgery.

The stats seem to suggest the surgery is successful more often than not but there are high complication rates and it’s surely debatable if surgery with potential need for ongoing care throughout life is really a the best solution.

It sounds like it’s a treatment for certain conditions that can already be identified in infants. This study (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11412227/) seems to suggest it’s not recommended due to known complications

I get everyone on here seems to want to only believe that every post surgery trans person is a vile stinking bleeing mess with gaping wounds and foul smells who is incontinent and unable to have any basic bodily functions but it just makes most of you look like fools.

stop being so patronising* *@musingsinmidlife nobody here wants to believe anything of the sort, although having actually read the thread and not come here to tell everyone how nasty and mean they are, i see that most people are very sympathetic to the people who have less than great outcomes from their surgery.

It all sounds hugely painful to me. And again, i am perfectly happy for trans people not to have any surgery, if there are so many bad outcomes.

The wording of the phrase "vaginal insufficiencies" has been lifted straight from a PubMed paper from about 30 years ago by Hitchcock from about 30 years ago, "Colovaginoplasty in infants and children".

First google search to come up.

Out of date, and clearly Google searched to prove some kind of crazy logic.

musingsinmidlife
Colovaginoplasties are also done on infants and female babies born with vaginal insufficiencies.

This is absolute bllcks, is it not? Who is checking if infant babies have vaginal insufficiencies? How do you even check that? No one has examined either of my daughters' actual vaginas. That's madness. It's not happening.

Who on earth do you think is operating on babies to give them vaginas made out of colon tissue? And what would be the purpose on actual babies, for God's sake?

And what kind of person is thinking about baby girls' vaginas anyway?

From what I remember, jazz Jennings had that type of surgery because her penis and testicules were underdeveloped because of puberty blockers. She was concerned about the possible smell.

Actually the person in that photo had the surgery 22 days previously and posted several updates. It’s literally time-stamped.

That is ONE statement from a post op TW out of HUNDREDS I could have picked from.
Honestly, I'm not going to do the research for you, it's out there if you choose to look for it FROM TW TESTIMONIES THEMSELVES, that you keep either denying or ignoring.

BTW, I'm aware my arse probably smells like an arse.

However, my FUCKING VAGINA doesn't.

If yours does, maybe you should get some medical attention.

Are you aware that gay men and some heterosexual couples have anal sex - with a digestive tract with food waste?

What????? How have I got to 50 without ever knowing this.

I must go lie down to recover from this shocking new information.

oh I feel faint, will Someone bring the smelling salts

Are you aware that gay men and some heterosexual couples have anal sex - with a digestive tract with food waste?

You linked to a reddit post of someone who just had the surgery the day before. That isn't a surgical complication.

Colovaginoplasties are also done on infants and female babies born with vaginal insufficiencies. There is a fair amount of research on them. Do you really think parents would agree to a surgery for an infant where your child will be forever left with a smelly gaping hole and incontinence?

The procedure when done properly has far fewer complications and higher satisfaction than a penile inversion. And yes, some of the studies do talk about colovaginoplasty.

Once again, NOBOSY said it produced faecal matter. Reading really isn't your strong comprehension is it?
I linked from an actual TW surgery website.
Here's another one from a post op TW
ifunny.co/picture/i-had-bottom-surgery-yesterday-everything-went-great-and-now-JmHcReGa7

The links you provided were not specifically about colon vaginoplasty.

I think we can see who is "minimally informed".

My own vagina hurts reading these stories.

Seriously sad. That said to the OP who linked some studies, the first one seems optimistic about post surgery satisfaction rate, and says the trend of such surgeries will likely grow as it is 'a key part' or something of treating gender dysphoria..

So the medical community just expects an upward trend in demand.

No responsibility.

Of course it doesn't secrete vaginal juices. It also isn't going to produce fecal matter.

You said it would produce smells and leakage that one would expect from a colon. Go out on the street and ask 50 people what smells and leakage do you expect from a colon - faeces, gas, and the smell of faeces is what is going to be mentioned repeatedly. No where on those sites do I see anything about what one expects from the colon coming out of the disconnected recreated colon section used for surgery.

I get everyone on here seems to want to only believe that every post surgery trans person is a vile stinking bleeing mess with gaping wounds and foul smells who is incontinent and unable to have any basic bodily functions but it just makes most of you look like fools. I linked to multiple systematic reviews of post surgical complications and they do not in any way support the views and opinions of posters on this thread.

So your continue ewww yuck, stinky people with gaping holes in their body with uring running everywhere is really immature.

If you are going to argue a position, at least take the time to be at least minimally informed.

It’s been a million years since a-level biology - but different cells act/secrete different things. You can’t just put a colon where a vagina might be and expect it to secret vaginal juices. The cells know biology even if we’re not supposed to.