Alberta MtF transgender wants assisted suicide after sexual reassignment surgery goes sour

@lechiffre55 possibly, yes, I just felt the need to point out that tattoos don't really deserve to be categorised with much more damaging procedures

I realise it's a derail anyway.

I have read so many heartbreaking and terrifying accounts on reddit and elsewhere of post-srs complications and regret.

It is appalling and completely immoral that children are having their whole lives destroyed in this way. Where is the accountability? Where are the ethics? Where is the care?

I mean does it HAVE to produce fecal matter to smell like poop? I mean we certainly associate poop with a certain smell but it’s entirely possible that the matter itself is not what is producing the smell but in fact the mucus used to pack it together. I know that paints such a beautiful image and all. I am friends with a completely traumatized trans woman and she does have this problem. She packs her underwear with liners and wears thick pants to try to stifle it. I’m not pretending to be an expert on the science. I just know what I’ve experienced. I used to be a huge supporter of trans people. Her botched surgery is one of many that made me start to question things and slowly become gender critical.

While i agree with 99% of your post, I'd just like to correct a minor point re tattoos - I have quite a lot of them, the oldest one is about 30 years old and the newest about 6 months.

they don't cause any long term issues at all. initially it's like a mild graze, then once they've healed (about a month max) it's just like any other part of your skin. No aftercare is needed.

It's nowhere near as invasive or risky as any of the other examples you give and I don't know of anyone who has ever suffered any serious effects from getting one, even though I have many heavily tattooed / professional tattooist friends

False equivalence. Again.

It's not uncommon for the amount of corrective procedures required to reach double figures.

I don't think anyones been spouting nonsense. I think you misread someone's post and took offence.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-grim-reality-of-gender-reassignment/

I am not actually pro this surgery at all. I am very anti any GRS. However I am pro facts and evidence and science and truth. I look at research and factual representations and that is controversial on this thread and opposed by many who want their personal bias and agenda to be the prevailing view. This thread reads a lot like a vaccine conspiracy thread. Many posters just spouting nonsense and other people agreeing because confirmation bias.

I see as often happens we're being asked to value people's lived experiences, but not those lived experiences.

This is absolutely heartbreaking. What a brave person. I wish there was some way that Lois can see that he has worth, just as he is now, and that the pain and suffering doesn't have to end this way for him.

when my DC2 was a teenager and being awkward and teenagery, they brought me home a book, recommended by one of their teachers, about how the human brain develops.
And it was really good, and i already knew a lot of it because i'd been researching how to live with teenagers, but it (and my other reading around the subject) highlighted that typically a human brain is only mature around 23-25 years of age.
Now i don't think everything that adults are allowed to do should be pushed back to that age. But i do think making life-changing decisions with no adult input 10 years before that is dangerous and irresponsible.

Unfortunately, we don't have the resources to really give the best care to everyone who presents as trans to a clinic.

Why are you willfully misrepresenting what people have said?

I get that you're pro this surgery, but no point in ignoring the facts.

MAID will be the tidy solution the other end of their lives.

With regard to posters preferring people not to go through surgery due to the complications involved... On the whole i agree that them not having surgery is better than them suffer ever after, particularly with children in mind, however, afaic, that makes it all the more important that we don't just invite all and sundry of the manz folk into our female spaces because the job of identifying the genuine v the disingenuous will be very much more difficult.

Of course it does - I think genital mutilation in the name of sexism and homophobia should be banned.

But the whole narrative unrolls if it does. Men who think they're women then do have penises. In female spaces.

This is why they're sooooo invested in proving that children are trans, using pbs to stunt their bodies from an early age. It adds credence to the whole ideology. So invested in trans surgical health care.

The savvy do not get srs. The rest are sacrificial lambs.

This is really sad but honestly is beginning to feel like the direction Canada is happy for this to go in tbh. I strongly suspect MAID is going to become a problem in the future and just like with trans issues, the population are going to just bury their heads in the sand.

When it was first introduced maid was intended for people who had a diagnosed terminal illness and wanted to go out on their own terms, which I am in support of 100%. But, access to maid been expanded since then and while there are supposed to be safeguards in place with regards to who can access it and why, some of the reports that began coming out through the media at the end of last year (albeit with the usual reluctance to shine too bright a light on anything critical) are alarming.

There was a fair amount of noise made about the military veterans who were offered MAID by veterans affairs (allegedly by a single rogue caseworker), though I don’t think much has been said about it since. But I’ve also seen stories of a woman with chemical sensitivities applying for maid because she can’t find appropriate housing and of disabled people applying because their quality of life on disability allowance is below poverty levels or because they’re facing homelessness. Those are just a few of the ones I remember and all are entirely fixable issues, if there was a will to do so. The government wants to continue to expand access to mental health conditions too, supposedly with oversight, but I wonder how much of that there will truly be.

This case, of a trans person choosing MAID because everyone else has turned their back on them and the medical establishment refuses to help fix the problems they’ve caused, does not surprise me but it does alarm me.

The kids being pushed down the trans pathway, in many cases sterilized and left with life-long pharmaceutical dependencies, are the gays kids, the lgb kids, the autistic kids, and the gender non-conforming kids. Now those who come to regret it, instead of being offer care and support are being ignored. Opportunities to research regret and detrans which could help inform care and maybes put the brakes on this just a little bit are being buried and dismissed. Instead, well… if you’re really, truly unhappy, there’s always MAID.

I think if a baby is having health problems that require that in the first place then the parents might agree to it if the alternative is worse. I imagine at that point smell is at the bottom of the list of health concerns. Although why you are reading up on that… that’s kind of creepy. Are you okay…? What does an infant’s vaginal health have to do with an adult with very different needs. I don’t think they can be compared.

@musingsinmidlife - just adding my astonishment at your phrase 'female babies born with vaginal insufficiencies'.

Who do you think would pick up on a baby's 'vaginal insufficiency' and WTF could that term even mean in relation to a baby? Insufficient for what? Don't let's even think about that.

Stop with the nonsense. It does you no favours.

@NotBadConsidering " But instead Jazz has a lifetime of medical complications to deal with, because there will need to be a fix, for the fix, for the fix. The list will only increase sadly. "

Another in a similar spot, is someone on youtube called shape shifter, who seems to be having difficulties. I haven't seen much of their stuff to know exactly what the problems are but they seem to have a lot of regret/disappointment.

With regard to posters preferring people not to go through surgery due to the complications involved... On the whole i agree that them not having surgery is better than them suffer ever after, particularly with children in mind, however, afaic, that makes it all the more important that we don't just invite all and sundry of the manz folk into our female spaces because the job of identifying the genuine v the disingenuous will be very much more difficult.

My God this is such a tragic story. I can’t believe our government is allowing this to happen to our people and first nations persons… My heart bleeds. What a dark time to be alive.

(Not read to end of thread, so someone else might have linked musings)
This is a an older, relevant thread that I think many might have had come to mind in this discussion:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4680292-very-distressing-account-of-aftermath-of-yeet-the-teets-surgeons-work?page=3

Not RTFT but surely it is fine to apply for MAiD? I mean, if there were any issues with it then that would suggest MAiD is a bad thing wouldn’t it? And we know it is actually such a good and progressive thing that it is being extended to children and it is argued should be extended to babies. They ask disabled people in hospital if they fancy it too. So all good.

I'm sure I've heard Jordan Peterson and others who know about this stuff saying that the human brain can take to the age of 25 to mature. Women tend to mature earlier than men.

Frankly, it's totally barbaric.