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When trans rights trumps children's safety

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ReunitedThorns · 19/01/2023 17:24

This story has come about in my local area:

An elderly man spotted wearing a girl’s school uniform near a Leigh secondary school and on a bus “does not pose a risk”, according to police who have urged the public to stop sharing photos of him.

uk.news.yahoo.com/police-man-seen-outside-leigh-163212326.html

This old man is riding school buses and hanging around schools in full girl's uniform and bad wig.

Apparently the schools have had to arrange special assemblies to brief children not to travel alone.

But police don't want anyone to share images of this man online and he has told them that he is not a risk.

He's clearly not trans, but I fear that the police are so scared of the subject that they're allowing this behaviour to continue.

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CruCru · 23/01/2023 13:28

In fairness, I’d rather live next to playing fields than a car park.

Dodecaheidyin · 23/01/2023 09:00

The consensus of opinion was that he was so innocent that he didn't realise what that could sound like.

Some liars can be very believable.

Nobody knows a person as well as their victim(s).

Treaclemine · 23/01/2023 08:49

We would occasionally get warnings (primary) about loiterers, but nothing like this. Very occasionally - I think once or twice in my entire career. And something I wondered about. A parent, not a very nice one, had bought a house next to our field, and he raised an objection when there was a scheme to turn part of the field into a staff car park. He'd bought his house so he could look out on children playing, not on cars. The consensus of opinion was that he was so innocent that he didn't realise what that could sound like. And also wanted to allow his boys out there to play at weekends.

ReunitedThorns · 22/01/2023 22:54

Treaclemine · 22/01/2023 20:59

Very interesting reaction. My college and school had the uniform controlled by women. Girls don't have much choice, and I have not blamed them for the St Trinian's effect. I thought I hinted at others being responsible. I have a strong suspicion that male heads and governors have an input into the short skirts. The resukt being that anyone who wants to can saunter by at the appropriate, or inappropriate, time, to see gaggles of teenage legs traversing the school surroundings.
And yes, I know that women and girls get raped in all sorts of wear - I think Karen Armstrong was while still wearing her habit, but that's no reason to put out bait, is it? When we know that that particular dress feeds sharks. I wasn't victim blaming.

But this is all irrelevant as the girls can wear trousers and this man is loitering around.

Plus we are talking about both primary and secondary schools.

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Treaclemine · 22/01/2023 20:59

Very interesting reaction. My college and school had the uniform controlled by women. Girls don't have much choice, and I have not blamed them for the St Trinian's effect. I thought I hinted at others being responsible. I have a strong suspicion that male heads and governors have an input into the short skirts. The resukt being that anyone who wants to can saunter by at the appropriate, or inappropriate, time, to see gaggles of teenage legs traversing the school surroundings.
And yes, I know that women and girls get raped in all sorts of wear - I think Karen Armstrong was while still wearing her habit, but that's no reason to put out bait, is it? When we know that that particular dress feeds sharks. I wasn't victim blaming.

MichelleScarn · 22/01/2023 19:56

SinnerBoy · 22/01/2023 17:58

Treaclemine · Today 17:17

Something more respectable, like trousers, wouldn't attract deviance, would it?

Get away to fuck, you gobshite.

Exactly ad infinitum! 'Respectable' Hmm those dreadful females for shame!!

mrshoho · 22/01/2023 19:45

Parisj · 22/01/2023 18:44

Surely its anti social behaviour and he can be warned, a restriction put in place, together with an adult safeguarding referral, and the community reassured.

That's what should happen and what used to happen not that long ago. Going back further when I was at school in the 80's brazen creeps like this were often given a kicking and sent on their way. Child protection was the priority not this warped existence we now live in.

Parisj · 22/01/2023 18:44

Surely its anti social behaviour and he can be warned, a restriction put in place, together with an adult safeguarding referral, and the community reassured.

SinnerBoy · 22/01/2023 17:58

Treaclemine · Today 17:17

Something more respectable, like trousers, wouldn't attract deviance, would it?

Get away to fuck, you gobshite.

Probablymagrat · 22/01/2023 17:44

@Treaclemine it would make no sodding difference at all, girls and women are raped in hijabs, pyjamas, jeans, leggings, mini skirts and nuns habits. Its predatory men thats the fucking problem, not the women or girls, EVER. They'd find a way to assault a woman wearing iron knickers and a full suit of armour. The patriarchy has done a job on you with internalised misogeny.

ReunitedThorns · 22/01/2023 17:40

Treaclemine · 22/01/2023 17:17

Probably a bit of a tangent, but for some time I have observed the local schoolgirls and comapred their uniforms with what I was compelled to wear - knee-length. I don't know one local school that doesn't have skirts further up than college PE skirts (3 inches above knee measured when kneeling - we measured from the back, but no-one picked up on it.) Local teens all look like St Trinian's sixth form, and as far as I can tell are not rolling the waistband up.
So who designs these skirts aimed at observers? Something more respectable, like trousers, wouldn't attract deviance, would it?

One of the schools that this man owns a uniform to (which is my old school) allows for girls to wear trousers. So there's that argument gone.

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Dodecaheidyin · 22/01/2023 17:39

Something more respectable, like trousers, wouldn't attract deviance, would it?

JFC.

Cheekymaw · 22/01/2023 17:25

@Treaclemine fuck off and fuck off some more with your victim blaming and girl shaming. The length of a schoolgirl's skirt has nothing to do with whether she is raped or attacked by a male predator. Stop blaming women and girls for male violence!

Treaclemine · 22/01/2023 17:17

Probably a bit of a tangent, but for some time I have observed the local schoolgirls and comapred their uniforms with what I was compelled to wear - knee-length. I don't know one local school that doesn't have skirts further up than college PE skirts (3 inches above knee measured when kneeling - we measured from the back, but no-one picked up on it.) Local teens all look like St Trinian's sixth form, and as far as I can tell are not rolling the waistband up.
So who designs these skirts aimed at observers? Something more respectable, like trousers, wouldn't attract deviance, would it?

MichelleScarn · 22/01/2023 15:13

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 21/01/2023 18:38

It takes a woman or girl to be raped before the police will act.

And even then they often don't. Same goes for stalking. I speak on both counts from bitter experience.

And 'lessons are never will be learned.' And deepest sympathy will be offered to the victim and their family, while urging for calm from locals and reminding them to take no action of their own to protect the hurty feels of the perpetrator.
How about some resortsative justice so he can then get off further on hearing how his behaviour has affected them no doubt!

Probablymagrat · 21/01/2023 19:20

Christ on a bike. We pay for justice systems thats riddled with misogyny at every level. Police forces infested with rapists, so few rape cases taken to court its virtually legal to assault women, women being arrested for holding a vigil for a murder victim, women being arrested for hurting a man pretending to be a woman's feelings, and now they won't/can't protect school children from the local pervert.

ReunitedThorns · 21/01/2023 18:48

Probablymagrat · 21/01/2023 18:06

The police are going to have find a way to stop this man from indulging in this socially unacceptable behaviour, because if they don't, someone else will.

I fear that the outcome of police inaction could be very serious one way or another. Either his behaviour will escalate and child will be assauted and traumatised, or he his behaviour will be addressed by a member(s) of the community which would be a very bad outcome for this individual.

Essex Police (particularly in these towns) have history with this.

There is different individual who is known to be a predator, and has propositioned a number of school boys. An incident has occurred with a boy, the father found out, gave the man a good seeing to and is currently awaiting trail whilst the perpetrator is free.

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mrshoho · 21/01/2023 18:42

It beggars belief we are even questioning whether he's done anything wrong. He's a fucking nuisance pest with or without mental health issues, that in normal times would be dealt with by the police. He shouldn't be anywhere near children or schools.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 21/01/2023 18:38

It takes a woman or girl to be raped before the police will act.

And even then they often don't. Same goes for stalking. I speak on both counts from bitter experience.

Boiledbeetle · 21/01/2023 18:34

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/01/2023 18:18

There are further claims that his family are saying that he has mental health problems and is harmless (yet seemingly are doing nothing to prevent this behaviour).

If police and mental health services don't see grounds to intervene then what should the family do? They can't imprison him at home or follow him around all day.

They could denounce him and say nothing to do with us but he needs help though. Instead of oh he's harmless.

He patently bloody not. We can all see that. Some may choose to find 101 reasons for why he should be allowed to continue, but none can serially honestly look at this and think it's fine and that this guy is harmless.

O h and families lie! Especially when they have a creep in their family. if they don't denounce then they jump straight to dismiss and deny.

ComfortablyDazed · 21/01/2023 18:20

If he is intimidating people (children), he is not harmless.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/01/2023 18:18

There are further claims that his family are saying that he has mental health problems and is harmless (yet seemingly are doing nothing to prevent this behaviour).

If police and mental health services don't see grounds to intervene then what should the family do? They can't imprison him at home or follow him around all day.

ComfortablyDazed · 21/01/2023 18:16

MargaritaPie · 21/01/2023 13:27

"Kids are being told not to travel alone."

This is good advice regardless.

And the many, many children who have no choice but to travel alone?

Are they just collateral damage?

With no-one but themselves to blame - for travelling alone?

You’ll back-track now and say something mealy-mouthed, like ‘well, every effort should be made to travel with others’.

But the point is - that just is not always possible. So some people automatically become at (more) risk.

Too bad for them, huh?

MagpiePi · 21/01/2023 18:07

@EsmaCannonball
I believe it is about 75% of men who are trans because of a sexual fetish.

Probablymagrat · 21/01/2023 18:06

The police are going to have find a way to stop this man from indulging in this socially unacceptable behaviour, because if they don't, someone else will.

I fear that the outcome of police inaction could be very serious one way or another. Either his behaviour will escalate and child will be assauted and traumatised, or he his behaviour will be addressed by a member(s) of the community which would be a very bad outcome for this individual.

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