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Keir Starmer sides with Nicola Sturgeon on gender law

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lechiffre55 · 19/01/2023 14:48

It looks to me like he's either changed his mind, or is playing fast and lose with what the word "sex" means.
I'm guessing that Starmer believes people can change sex. So single sex spaces and attraction are not affected because you can identify as whatever sex you want.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11651245/Keir-Starmer-sides-Nicola-Sturgeon-Scottish-gender-law.html

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jgw1 · 19/01/2023 15:01

I don't really know why he tries to straddle the line - instead of appeasing everyone he just ensures that nobody wants to vote for him.

When you say nobody wants to vote for him, are you expecting a massive change when the next opinion polls come out measuring voting intention at the next general election.

Currently it seems rather a lot of people want to vote for him.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

cortisolqueen · 19/01/2023 14:59

He's spineless and pathetic.

So desperate to get into power he's cosying up to any group who he thinks will benefit him.

He has either no comprehension of the impact of the SNP bill on women rights or he just doesn't care. I remember at the Labour LGBT hustings (back in 2019/20?) he seemed bewildered when Helen Steele (who he knew from McLibel) heckled him about the definition of woman.

I've always voted Labour but I'm not sure I can again with him as leader.

CountZacular · 19/01/2023 14:58

I don't really know why he tries to straddle the line - instead of appeasing everyone he just ensures that nobody wants to vote for him.

TRAs aren't going to vote Labour. They only want parties that make trans their main issue - so Greens it will be. And they are very vocal about not support Labour on TW too. Any slighest acknowledgement of women is an instant no. The other thing I find bemusing is that TRAs aren't even what we'd consider typical Labour voters anyway - they are predominately young, middle class students who will vote for 'the thing' of the time (remember Clegg and student loans?).

Ironically working class, left leaning women WERE typical Labour voters and KS' desperation to appease everyone has lost him his traditional voters and it's not winning new groups either. I don't understand why he's just not listening to this or taking note. We need a change in government desperately but women's rights sit among every other policy, whether Labour like it or not. It needs to be taken seriously.

PronounssheRa · 19/01/2023 14:54

He uses a linguistic sleight of hand to try to hide the fact that his definition of women includes some males.

It's dishonest and cowardly.

Yeahrightthen · 19/01/2023 14:52

Mr Wishy-washy as per usual.

He’s a coward - labour will never get my vote with this spineless git at the helm that’s for sure.

lechiffre55 · 19/01/2023 14:51

"He admitted single-sex groups would not be allowed to refuse entry to anyone with a gender recognition certificate, but said this was already the case."

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