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Keir Starmer sides with Nicola Sturgeon on gender law

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lechiffre55 · 19/01/2023 14:48

It looks to me like he's either changed his mind, or is playing fast and lose with what the word "sex" means.
I'm guessing that Starmer believes people can change sex. So single sex spaces and attraction are not affected because you can identify as whatever sex you want.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11651245/Keir-Starmer-sides-Nicola-Sturgeon-Scottish-gender-law.html

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Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2023 15:23

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And your point is what?

SinnerBoy · 19/01/2023 15:22

jgw1 · Today 15:16

The post I was replying to didn't specify mammals.

It could be worked out, of course. Marsha said "you can't change sex," which obviously refers to humans and not clownfish. Are you a clownfish?

Chersfrozenface · 19/01/2023 15:21

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Already been done.

I suggest having a look at animal classification. There are some quite good explanations for schoolchildren

nilsmousehammer · 19/01/2023 15:19

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Human beings aren't fish.

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MarshaBradyo · 19/01/2023 15:17

lechiffre55 · 19/01/2023 15:14

Coconuts grow high up in trees.
So what? Humans aren't fish, planets, mushrooms or jellyfish.
Fish breath underwater, can you?

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😬at pp segue into fish on here. Desperate times

jgw1 · 19/01/2023 15:17

lechiffre55 · 19/01/2023 15:14

Coconuts grow high up in trees.
So what? Humans aren't fish, planets, mushrooms or jellyfish.
Fish breath underwater, can you?

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Bananas don't grow on trees though.
Isn't biology wonderful!

jgw1 · 19/01/2023 15:16

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lechiffre55 · 19/01/2023 15:14

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Coconuts grow high up in trees.
So what? Humans aren't fish, planets, mushrooms or jellyfish.
Fish breath underwater, can you?

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MarshaBradyo · 19/01/2023 15:14

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Are you a fish?

SinnerBoy · 19/01/2023 15:14

jgw1 · Today 15:12

Over 500 species of fish are known to change sex as adults.

What has that to do with mammals, none of which have any capacity to change sex. Earthworms and snails are true hermaphrodites, is that relevant?

Whereareyourshoes · 19/01/2023 15:12

Keir Starmer demonstrating why we need more clarity around the law in order to protect the many different vulnerable groups of people in this country.

If anyone would like a debate in Parliament to discuss updating the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex, please sign petition below:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page=1

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jgw1 · 19/01/2023 15:11

SinnerBoy · 19/01/2023 15:07

They're still more popular than the Tories, but they should be 50% ahead. Instead, they git wishy-washy Wally Starmer to agree with loads of Tory stuff and the religion of Transgender, so people are becoming increasingly reticent.

The Labour were projected to have about 75% more of the votes in a General Election that the Tory party, so in fact they are more than 50% ahead.

Unles you mean they should be 50 percentage points ahead, a margin that no political party in the UK has ever had.

Starmer may be a wally, but he has a similar lead to Blair had prior to the 1997 election.

MarshaBradyo · 19/01/2023 15:09

Facts like you can’t change sex and males shouldn’t be in single sex spaces. Generally they are well liked.

Starmer and his cronies on the other hand - no surprises there the big fence sitter.

SinnerBoy · 19/01/2023 15:07

They're still more popular than the Tories, but they should be 50% ahead. Instead, they git wishy-washy Wally Starmer to agree with loads of Tory stuff and the religion of Transgender, so people are becoming increasingly reticent.

jgw1 · 19/01/2023 15:06

ilovesooty · 19/01/2023 15:02

Beat me to it.

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But experience tells me on these threads that the introduction of facts is not appreciated - very Govian.

CountZacular · 19/01/2023 15:06

jgw1 · 19/01/2023 15:01

I don't really know why he tries to straddle the line - instead of appeasing everyone he just ensures that nobody wants to vote for him.

When you say nobody wants to vote for him, are you expecting a massive change when the next opinion polls come out measuring voting intention at the next general election.

Currently it seems rather a lot of people want to vote for him.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

I’m taking in context of women’s right. Nobody who he’s trying to appeal with this issue - neither TRAs or women who centre women’s rights issue wants to vote for him.

barneshome · 19/01/2023 15:06

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2023 15:04

Well that may well change with all the stuff going on at the moment finally pushing the media from no debate to actual debate.

I'm currently a member of the Labour Party. And yet. Would i vote for them at this moment in time? No Fucking way.

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Same 100%

barneshome · 19/01/2023 15:06

All he ever talks about is TG issues to hoover up the woke vote
He has nothing else to say
Idiot

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2023 15:04

jgw1 · 19/01/2023 15:01

I don't really know why he tries to straddle the line - instead of appeasing everyone he just ensures that nobody wants to vote for him.

When you say nobody wants to vote for him, are you expecting a massive change when the next opinion polls come out measuring voting intention at the next general election.

Currently it seems rather a lot of people want to vote for him.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Well that may well change with all the stuff going on at the moment finally pushing the media from no debate to actual debate.

I'm currently a member of the Labour Party. And yet. Would i vote for them at this moment in time? No Fucking way.

nilsmousehammer · 19/01/2023 15:03

He's fine with females being excluded from anything so that special males can have everything.

Most of those females from vulnerable groups.

Misogynist, exclusionary, prejudiced. And anything but actually left.

<shrug> we knew all this the day he 'web chatted' with MN.

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lechiffre55 · 19/01/2023 15:02

At a time when we need the very best alternative to the Tories, we have someone I cannot vote for as the alternative. This is such a shameful travesty.
Women deserve better than this.

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ilovesooty · 19/01/2023 15:02

jgw1 · 19/01/2023 15:01

I don't really know why he tries to straddle the line - instead of appeasing everyone he just ensures that nobody wants to vote for him.

When you say nobody wants to vote for him, are you expecting a massive change when the next opinion polls come out measuring voting intention at the next general election.

Currently it seems rather a lot of people want to vote for him.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Beat me to it.

AngryGoblin · 19/01/2023 15:02

I hate to say it but that makes me, a lifelong Labour voter, inclinded to vote Conservative.