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OJ has a special message for us…

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Cuppasoupmonster · 19/01/2023 13:14

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1616008459958231040/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1616008459958231040&currentTweetUser=OwenJones84

Gave me a laugh over my coffee anyway 😆 does he remind anyone else of arguments with their little brother? ‘You’re going to lose. Why are you hitting yourself’ etc 😂

Interesting he has never ever once engaged with any of the thousands of points as to why gender ideology is indefensible at best and harmful at worst, it’s always just ‘You’re going to lose… tiny minority… section 28’

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RoyalCorgi · 20/01/2023 10:21

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 10:15

Nimco: 'You're basically talking to a former child refugee who grew up on a council estate. I understand poverty'.

Owen then proceeds to mansplain over her.

You shock me, Arabella. Grin

Beowulfa · 20/01/2023 10:17

I stopped reading the Grauniad ages ago, about the only good journalism used to be by John Harris. He developed the staggeringly innovative technique of using a train to leave London and then ask ordinary people about issues. The sort of people who didn't go to Oxford and did stuff like drink Fosters in Weatherspoons and go to football matches. Amazingly, they often thought differently to North London Labour activists, and Harris explored why that might be.

I'm always amused by the thought of Jones having to talk to an actual working class person who thinks differently to him.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 10:15

Nimco: 'You're basically talking to a former child refugee who grew up on a council estate. I understand poverty'.

Owen then proceeds to mansplain over her.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 10:11

RoyalCorgi · 20/01/2023 09:35

Grin

Glorious.

Re Talcum's interview with Andrew Doyle, has he ever agreed to be interviewed by a gender-critical woman? Or will he only talk to men?

He had a 'breakfast date' with Nimco Ali. It's quite funny to watch his response by the end.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2641204565945869

Clymene · 20/01/2023 10:11

FrancescaContini · 20/01/2023 10:04

I’m not “height-ist” but I’m wondering if this tadpole of a man is relatively short? I’m getting “Napoleon complex” vibes.

Ooh interesting! I scoured the net (ok, did a quick google search) for images and there are very few of him with other people

But here is he with our lord and saviour, Jezza Corbyn. Our man from Islington is a mere 5'7".

I'd say that makes lil OJ about 5'5"?

OJ has a special message for us…
RoyalCorgi · 20/01/2023 10:10

Ohyoudodoyou · 20/01/2023 10:02

Interesting to see OJ desperation to get this man (see his Wikipedia) on his side...everything OJ would like to aspire to I guess but instead he simply rants on YouTube and Twitter instead of being an Actual Journalist.

Can't tell you how pleased I am to see Francis Beckett on side - I've been a huge admirer of his work for years.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 10:04

Anyone ever seen OJ 'beg' a woman to think about anything?

FrancescaContini · 20/01/2023 10:04

I’m not “height-ist” but I’m wondering if this tadpole of a man is relatively short? I’m getting “Napoleon complex” vibes.

Ohyoudodoyou · 20/01/2023 10:02

Interesting to see OJ desperation to get this man (see his Wikipedia) on his side...everything OJ would like to aspire to I guess but instead he simply rants on YouTube and Twitter instead of being an Actual Journalist.

OJ has a special message for us…
teawamutu · 20/01/2023 09:56

KJK is a fucking force of nature. LOJ is a fucking bellend who's identifying as a thought leader (ie, isn't).

WandaWomblesaurus · 20/01/2023 09:37

He will talk to men, and men dressed as women. But he will not talk to women and he will not sleep with women dressed as men.

But he will buy babies from women.

RoyalCorgi · 20/01/2023 09:35

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 09:16

𝔑𝔞𝔪𝔢: ℜ𝔬𝔶𝔞𝔩ℭ𝔬𝔯𝔤𝔦
ℭ𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢: 𝔖𝔥𝔢 𝔥𝔞𝔱𝔥 𝔫𝔬𝔱 𝔞𝔣𝔣𝔬𝔯𝔡𝔢𝔡 𝔞 𝔪𝔞𝔩𝔢 𝔪𝔞𝔫 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔯𝔢𝔰𝔭𝔠𝔱 𝔥𝔢 𝔡𝔢𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔳𝔢𝔱𝔥 𝔟𝔶 𝔳𝔦𝔯𝔱𝔲𝔢 𝔬𝔣 𝔥𝔦𝔰 𝔟𝔢𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔦𝔰𝔢𝔡 𝔰𝔱𝔞𝔱us
𝔓𝔲𝔫𝔦𝔰𝔥𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱: 𝔡𝔲𝔠𝔨𝔦𝔫𝔤

Grin

Glorious.

Re Talcum's interview with Andrew Doyle, has he ever agreed to be interviewed by a gender-critical woman? Or will he only talk to men?

beastlyslumber · 20/01/2023 09:21

"Let's have a debate, Owen. Let's see if you can win for even five minutes."

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 09:16

𝔑𝔞𝔪𝔢: ℜ𝔬𝔶𝔞𝔩ℭ𝔬𝔯𝔤𝔦
ℭ𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢: 𝔖𝔥𝔢 𝔥𝔞𝔱𝔥 𝔫𝔬𝔱 𝔞𝔣𝔣𝔬𝔯𝔡𝔢𝔡 𝔞 𝔪𝔞𝔩𝔢 𝔪𝔞𝔫 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔯𝔢𝔰𝔭𝔠𝔱 𝔥𝔢 𝔡𝔢𝔰𝔢𝔯𝔳𝔢𝔱𝔥 𝔟𝔶 𝔳𝔦𝔯𝔱𝔲𝔢 𝔬𝔣 𝔥𝔦𝔰 𝔟𝔢𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔦𝔰𝔢𝔡 𝔰𝔱𝔞𝔱us
𝔓𝔲𝔫𝔦𝔰𝔥𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱: 𝔡𝔲𝔠𝔨𝔦𝔫𝔤

Ohyoudodoyou · 20/01/2023 09:13

Thanks for that link - Andrew Doyle sounded fair and measured - OJ was pugilistic almost as if he had to come across as 'well 'ard'.
That makes me hopeful that another gay man is saying out loud that OJ's approach is unhelpful. That's an understatement.
He came out badly here...
I am working on my dashboard Little Owen Jones. Should be in production some time next year.
I'm sending some freebies to Allison, Julie,Joanne,Kathleen,Maya, and a cast of thousands.

RoyalCorgi · 20/01/2023 09:12

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 09:06

𝔑𝔞𝔪𝔢: 𝔥𝔢𝔩𝔩𝔢𝔬𝔣𝔞𝔟𝔬𝔯𝔢
ℭ𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢: 𝔖𝔥𝔢 𝔥𝔞𝔱𝔥 𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔰𝔱𝔦𝔬𝔫𝔢𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔢𝔬𝔲𝔰𝔫𝔢𝔰𝔰 𝔬𝔣 𝔞 𝔪𝔞𝔩𝔢 𝔪𝔞𝔫
𝔓𝔲𝔫𝔦𝔰𝔥𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱: 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔭𝔯𝔢𝔰𝔰

These are making me laugh a lot.

beastlyslumber · 20/01/2023 09:10

Ugh the stuff about "if you win" is making me cry.

ResisterRex · 20/01/2023 09:09

beastlyslumber · 20/01/2023 09:03

Ah ffs. Go on youtube and look for "what does women winning look like"

"If that sounds like I'm trying to push you into a debate, I actually am"

😆

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 09:06

𝔑𝔞𝔪𝔢: 𝔥𝔢𝔩𝔩𝔢𝔬𝔣𝔞𝔟𝔬𝔯𝔢
ℭ𝔯𝔦𝔪𝔢: 𝔖𝔥𝔢 𝔥𝔞𝔱𝔥 𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔰𝔱𝔦𝔬𝔫𝔢𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔯𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔢𝔬𝔲𝔰𝔫𝔢𝔰𝔰 𝔬𝔣 𝔞 𝔪𝔞𝔩𝔢 𝔪𝔞𝔫
𝔓𝔲𝔫𝔦𝔰𝔥𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱: 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔭𝔯𝔢𝔰𝔰

beastlyslumber · 20/01/2023 09:05

"You say we're going to lose. We're going to win and I will dance upon the victory until you're vomiting with shame and embarrassment."

beastlyslumber · 20/01/2023 09:03

Ah ffs. Go on youtube and look for "what does women winning look like"

beastlyslumber · 20/01/2023 09:03

See if this link works...
https://www.youtube.com/live/yEuwilt4F-0?feature=share

beastlyslumber · 20/01/2023 09:01

KJK's comeback :)

https://www.youtube.com/live/yEuwilt4F-0?feature=share

DialSquare · 20/01/2023 08:57

Helleofabore · 20/01/2023 08:42

The use of ‘anti-trans’ over recent months has become very prevalent. It is such a significant phrase. On one hand it carries authority, even though it application is false. On the other hand it shows the self-centredness of that movement.

Which is fine, except that it ignores that there is in fact, a conflict with another groups rights. While ‘pro-women’ actually conveys the message about prioritising women and girls but it doesn’t frame it as one group ‘hating’ another. As ‘anti’ does.

The term is as polarising as it is hyperbolic. It is as emotive as you can get. It shows that no compromise is acceptable or tolerated. It reflects the intolerance that is driving trans rights activists.

It nicely encapsulates the trans activist movement for what it is. I don’t think they thought it through though.

It will certainly convince some people, but only those who are only superficially aware. As they get more aware, they will see the term for what it is.

It is a term that will certainly achieve great heights, I believe.

Exactly Helle. Anyone using the term anti trans just confirms to me that they know we are not really being unreasonable in wanting to retain female single sex spaces and that most people agree with us. They need to add the "anti" to make us look unreasonable. If we are anti anything it's anti males in female sex spaces. All males no matter how they present. Which is not unreasonable in the slightest. Transmen are welcome to use female single sex spaces for obvious reasons so how can we be anti trans?

beastlyslumber · 20/01/2023 08:56

He's so aggressive. He doesn't listen to anyone. All his 'arguments' are based on whether they allow him to come to the same conclusion. He argues from emotions, never from facts. This stuff must be ruining his life.

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