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I know I'm quoting myself!

I realise that men will often gain from the sexism, but even so, it's very weird sometimes when you know they can't see what's in front of their nose.

I was in a furniture shop and the woman was helping me, and a man just interrupted us and asked her to help him. He simply didn't see me - and only saw her in terms of how she could help him.

It's quite sad really how unconscious it all is.

In my less furious moments, I sometimes wonder if they are living some kind of half life.

It's the whole terra nullis thing isn't it? The hallmark of such misogyny it's totally unconsciously pervasive.

Anything not being useful to men is a waste of space and resources that should be better allocated.

Anything a woman ever does is naturally all about a man (and if it's something a man doesn't like, it's probably a malicious attempt to annoy or defy him.)

It essentially admits the seeing of females as subhuman things that don't have inner lives of their own, or any existence or reality that doesn't revolve entirely around the real humans. And the ones who won't accept this sex based role are bad women who should be punished.

And he's an authoritarian follower personality to the core. Looooooves him some rules. Loves being righteous and getting to harrangue the sinners and hope for their punishment. Allllll about the winning and the losing jingoism, the snobbery, the worthy and the scum. All the values he identifies as spitting on, while demonstrating how committed to them he is. It's quite sad really how unconscious it all is.

The KJK (every time i type her initials my tablet autocorrects to MUM, so cute!) Video is a really good watch.

It did look like she was looking at something but more likely a bullet point list rather than a word by word monologue like Owen.

It's just the way she goes through scenario after scenario after scenario. And each ones ends the same.

I love her.

...only a misogynist could come to the conclusion, that when we say we don't want men in our intimate spaces it's somehow something other than the protection of women's spaces.

It really is breathtaking. The fucking ego it must take to conclude this is not about the protection of women.

'Objecting to the destruction of women sports? That's not about women sports, love! Must be something else.

Outraged that incarcerated women are being housed with convicted rapists? That can't be about the women love, it must be something else.

Worried your daughter's non compliance with stereotypes may send her down a path where she ends up mutilated and sterile? That can't be because of her and your love for her? It must be something else.

It must be something else.

These awful, blind, entitled arrogant men.

it's only ever about allowing men to believe they are women

Wow, that's where he's moved the line to?

Ok. Why is that the responsibility of women to indulge and enable?

To what lengths?

And why are you producing rants longer and more tedious than a tax return, spitting odd religious bile like an 18th century priest at fallen women, because women have been driven to the discourtesy of saying 'my not interrupting your belief that you are a woman is not more important than my access to society or not being raped'.

If you don't want to be asked to get your size thirteen beetle crushers off my foot then don't bloody stand on it .

And yes, women objecting to women having to put up with masturbating men in the bed next to them, or girls flooding and having to put up with boys taking the piss, women in prison having to put up with rapists in their cells, lesbians been told to accept penis, and the destruction of women's sport actually being framed as 'anti-trans' is one of the biggest own goals I think I've ever seen.

It means being 'pro trans' is endorsing all of it.

they really are beyond all reason.

He knows she'd wipe the floor with him.

Having now watched the whole video, I'd be advising Starmer exactly the same. I hope she does stand against him. She will make mincemeat of him. In fact, she'd do that with any politician because (with a tiny number of notable exceptions) they're all, all about managing their profile, likes, retweets, being careful, being MoR, being indistinguishable from the next cut-round-the-dots, former bag-carrying, ex-SPAD straight outta Oxbridge muppet with no clue about a real job or real life.

None of them have personality or views. No one is ever sacked for incompetence. She will spice things up - for the wider good.

I can't wait.

I'm only halfway through KJK's response, but by God the contrast is stark.

He must've written out his entire speech, but couldn't even be bothered to learn it off by heart, because he kept having to check his notes. I can't believe he's a journalist, either, mic drop it wasn't. You've got to keep the spite out of your voice, mate.

By contrast, it's obvious to anyone, including OJ, that Kellie is not only utterly genuine, which means she is able to talk largely off the cuff, but that she has completely irrefutable points.

Trans ideology 'winning' will be the complete erasure of women's privacy and safety. How else can it win???

There is no denying men's behaviour towards women. And boys towards girls. And the come back to this is only ever one thing, and that's, yes but it's not happening much. A giant slice of misogyny which obviously speaks for itself.

i'm not on Instagram, so do I take it he's already backtracking and claiming that it's only ever about allowing men to believe they are women?

Because, as long as they stay out of women's spaces, services, and vocabulary, there are going to be numerous women who couldn't give a flying fuck what deluded men think about themselves.

And yes, it's my opinion that Owen Jones will be far too cowardly to take on Kellie Jay Keen.

ResisterRex

It won't happen but the poll is fun anyway:

No, he's an odious little coward, with an overinflated sense of his own worth. He knows she'd wipe the floor with him.

I also love this meme WallaceinAnderland.

voted. 'Tis the right thing to do, I want to see this debate. C'mon Owen, the gauntlet has been flung right into whatever part of London you hang out in.

He's getting a pasting on twitter. Thought the witches on this thread would appreciate this one in his comments 😆

It won't happen but the poll is fun anyway:

twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1616441397468332032?s=46&t=eZ8hZrRNaEWFtSETbLM8Tg

I’ve always known OJ hated women. Ever since he killed his wife!

Well, patronising misogynists gonna patronise

Of course!

In this genderist utopia, what will we see?

Male doctors identifying as women and being allowed to carry out 'intimate care' on women? Males applying for posts previously reserved for females, running rape survivor centres? Males being placed in a woman's prison, despite a history of violence and sexual assaults? Children being given 'affirmation' of gender dysphoria, allowed to legally change sex, given puberty blockers, and hormones and surgery from age 16?

Exactly. Kellie-Jay goes through several of these scenarios in her amazing response video linked below. She also challenges him to a debate, that we all know he won't do even offering a thousand pounds to any charity of his choice.

But what do gay men get out of it?

A chance to role play something that sort of looks like the fight for gay rights that they were too young to have had a chance to take part in.

Mines telling me to stop reading mumsnet and go for a half hour shit then I need to unblock the outside drain, then wash the dishes.

So I'm obviously female, male, male, female? Or just a lazy cow with a knackered digestive system and a broken drain cover that keeps letting all the crap in to block it?

We all have an internal monologue, but you stupid little boy Owen it relates to what's going on in our individual lives you Muppet!

Why is this issue so important to gay men like Talcum and LRM? I can see why some heterosexual men buy into it - for a certain kind of misogynistic straight man, then of course men should be allowed into women's prisons, women's changing rooms etc. After all, anything that enables predatory straight men to have access to female victims probably sounds just the ticket.

But what do gay men get out of it? They're not interested in women sexually, and to some extent (quite a big extent) trans ideology is a threat to gay identity. It redefines same-sex attraction as same-gender attraction, undermining years of campaigning by gays and lesbians for the right for same-sex attraction to be recognised in law. Not forgetting the way that some effeminate boys are being redefined by their parents as "trans," a phenomenon I would find highly disturbing if I was a gay man. So why is it so important to people like OJ that women are forced to admit men into their female-only spaces?