Why are trans people the "most marginalised and vulnerable" in society?

There are quite a few groups that could fit this profile though. I don’t believe “No other minority gets treated that way” is true.

It also leverages a sub section of that group’s vulnerability to apply it to the many who are most definitely not vulnerable. Quite the opposite.

This really has also been a group of disparate people, in the past that has been mostly males. I would argue that many of those males, those in positions of power and influence, have utilised the vulnerability of others for their own purposes.

They are most certainly not the only minority that some people are repulsed by or are treated badly. They are however, definitely not all ‘vulnerable’ as those minorities who are genuinely vulnerable.

The curating of and stategiically utilising that ‘vulnerability’ message has added to the sense of falsity about some of the other claims and messages about this group. What does seem true is that shoving everyone under the trans label / umbrella has harmed those who are genuinely vulnerable.

What about people with disabilities? Especially facial disfigurements?

I don't think there's a competition for most vulnerable minority. Being vulnerable is being vulnerable and that's a problem, can we just accept that?

Anyway I would imagine part of the reason people say that is if you're trans a vast majority of the population is repulsed by you and treats you badly, especially if you do not pass. No other minority gets treated that way.

They are a tiny minority, but have the biggest voice, and demand the whole rest of society changes to accommodate their wishes. I am so k of their demands to invade female spaces.

The ONS statistics show all sorts of vulnerability in different groups as victims of homicide.

There are some very shocking facts there, like rates of black victims of homicide being 6x more per mill than white victims, or the highest rate of homicide per million being babies under 1. You could make the case for lots of groups being 'the most vulnerable' depending on your measure and priority. Black men aged 16-24 would be a front runner on a few measures for eg.

Of some relevance to Emily Thornberry's comments about always having Trans people at the forefront of our minds in any discussion around the GRR, and her complete absence of acknowledgement of womens' concerns...

177 women died in the last year of the stats (and the same the year before)
I in 10 of those women were strangled
The number of women killed by knives is on the increase
Half of female victims were as a result of "domestic homicide" - this increased to 56% of female homicides in each lockdown period..
A greater percentage of female vs male deaths has no suspect identified.
92-94% of suspects in female homicides were...............male....

If we're going to use mumsnet ganging up on someone as a measure for the most marginalized and vulnerable, I vote Meghan Markle. Or that Katie whats-her-name everybody's got an opinion on.

Oh no! Are the big mean women pointing out reality again? The HORROR.

It’s worth considering what kind of man is motivated to solicit pity from women and why, when thinking about how this “most vulnerable” propaganda developed over time. Sorry to be vague and cryptic but I’d be deleted if I wasn’t!

Whole, not while.

To give a fair answer to this, I think you need to start from the point that 'trans' people are not a single, homogeneous group.

A well-off male celebrity (or indeed any comfortably-off man) transitioning in late middle age - almost certainly not marginalised or vulnerable.

But there is emerging evidence that young transitioners are disproportionately likely to be or have been in care. And that is a vulnerable and marginalised group. However, I'm not aware of any evidence that looked-after children who identify as trans are more marginalised or vulnerable than the cohort of looked-after children as a while.

Because a certain group of powerful white men who live as trans identified are extremely narcissistic and they know instinctively that they don’t really have anything that makes them vulnerable. What thery are vulnerable to is being mocked and laughed at or rejected as women by women, which makes them incensed and they consider completely unacceptable. Not being lauded and fawned over = persecution to them. So a PR narrative had to be created that glosses over the fact that when it comes to men who identify as trans we are talking about one of the most financially comfortable and comparatively powerful groups in any Western society.

That’s why they have mantras and “No Debate!” because there is no factual evidence for their claims.

It's because transwomen stop being treated like gods when they transition, all that unearned privilege, playing life on the easiest settings - gone. They experience discrimination, abuse - often for the first time. And the shock of it is so terrible they assume nobody else in the world is ever treated like that, they must be the most poor and oppressed and marginalised people in the world who have ever lived ever.

Logically, they are not.

People who are truly vulnerable in our society:

children living with abusive parents/carers, homeless teens, women who were trafficked for the sex trade, many people with disabilities especially those who are deemed to lack capacity to make decisions for themselves, women who are forced to have arranged marriages, many elderly people, immigrants who are brought in by criminals and force to work for next to nothing ...

Frankly there is a huge list of people who are more vulnerable than a man who decides to transition of their own will...

Yes, not to mention getting an older disabled lady in Wales arrested for putting up stickers about domestic violence, getting a young women arrested for politely asking a person to leave the women’s toilets that clearly should not have been in there, police home visits for a feminist sticker on a front door, a YouTube video criticising paedophiles, a young teenage boy getting a police visit and threatened with prison if he repeated his behaviour which was to correctly answer his friend’s question about the sex of the girl stood in front of him.

Maybe not so marginalised and oppressed? I don’t think women can get that level of service from the police.

Remember, TRAs also encourage each other to report absolutely anything (misgendering, tweets they don't like, anything at all) to the police in order to up the number of "hate incidents" on record. So remember that when you next see a headline about trans hate crimes have gone up by xxx%.

I don't know that citing murder rates is especially helpful when discussing 'marginalised and vulnerable'. Certainly the murder rate for trans people is, happily, very low in the UK. And Europe as a whole.

But marginalised and vulnerable means something other than that. Marginalised is easier as it means (to me, at least) at the border or boundary of something. So - low employment rates, low grade work, poor housing, poor health etc.

Vulnerable - trickier. More likely than most to have bad things happen to you, to be dependent on others for basic needs, not able to easily fight back? Yet there are so many vulnerable groups in our society - babies, small children, people with disabilities. How can we rank them? Do we rank them? How does a late-transitioning male barrister compare to a female who was born deaf & blind? I know which one I consider most vulnerable and marginalised. But I have no proof, nor do I know where to find it. But it would be very useful to have it.

Because when using the wrong pronoun is literal violence, and if anyone who doesn’t believe you can be labelled your abuser and deserving of abuse in return, you can claim to be the most marginalised and most vulnerable.

I suspect that only some trans people use this phrase, others won’t. It often comes from lobby groups and their representatives and quite a few trans allies though.

Because mumsnetters gang up on them?

Sorry, it doesn't say otherwise.

Children under one, highest per-capita rate
25-34 year olds, highest absolute number.

This says otherwise:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2021#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20age%20group,to%2044%20years%20(99%20victims)

That is, AuxArmesCitoyens please provide source.

Please provide a source for this

Oh come on! What did i say that warranted deletion?

Let's try again.

They aren't the most marginalised and they aren't the most vulnerable.

They are not!

Oh my goodness is that true? 😢 why?