Why are trans people the "most marginalised and vulnerable" in society?

Her claim that people say that trans people are the most "marginalised and vulnerable in society"? I can quote you multiple politicians just this week.

Have you thought that the more relevant comparison might be murder and other forms of violence per head of population.

Can’t prove a negative. The onus is for people who make this assertion to prove it.

OP - do you have any evidence of your claim?

Yes, and the head of Stonewall has told lesbians that they must learn to accept penises, otherwise they are guilty of sexual racism.

Because Owen Jones says so.

Not sure being white middle class and middle aged is a proection against doestic violence killings the way being white middle class and middle aged means you are unlikely to be killed in a gangland knifing or pub brawl.

I agree, but I don't think class adds anything to this specific analysis of MTF murders which is very clear, you would get bogged down in defining who was middle class.

This.

Calling rapists marginalised for being given incarcerated women as part of their jail sentence. Or calling rubbish male athletes marginalised for scooping awards, trophies, and records from women. Calling men marginalised for the relentless disregard of women's consent and boundaries.

It's all nonsense.

The power of this 'marginalised' group is immense. Every single paper in the land is talking about them. All political parties are talking about their outrageous demands. Demands that they've even managed to get a government to the brink of implementing.

It never had anything to do with facts or reality; purely with finding a way to make a male rights over female people movement something that they could dupe liberal minded people into supporting.

Exactly. How else are you going to get worthy virtue signallers to exercise their secret sexism?

Now the “liberal” world agrees that female people are the oppressors and this group of male people the most vulnerable and marginalised ever

This is absolutely nailing it. Rape victims told to reframe their trauma because it upsets transvestites and transsexuals? Female prisoners being penalised they object to male sex offenders in their cells? Lesbians being ordered to disregard their sexual orientation in favour of these men lest they be accused of sexual racists.

Yet women are being told, across-the-board, and many are bloody well believing it, that it is they who are the oppressors of men.

And not just regular men, but determined, powerful men who want to destroy their sport, intimidate them in prison or worse, eliminate all the tools women have fought to oppose sexism and violate all their boundaries.

And, as mentioned, one of the ways it's done is by making trans not just one thing. Confused children are being utilised and sacrificed for this body of males.

Marginalised, my arse.

No there is not.

Pathetic little soundbites like that are just that pathetic.

This right here 👆🏼

There is certainly a lot of hate for them on this forum.

Please report any hate you see. If if doesn't get deleted, then maybe it is your perception of what is 'hate' doesn't match up with the current modding on this board which is actually quite biased towards being more supportive for trans people than the posters you disagree with.

Having an opinion that doesn't match yours does not mean it is 'hate' even if you like to frame it as such.

Nope, that's an utter lie.

There is certainly a lot of hate for them on this forum.

That's a fair point @AuxArmesCitoyens

Not sure being white middle class and middle aged is a proection against doestic violence killings the way being white middle class and middle aged means you are unlikely to be killed in a gangland knifing or pub brawl.

We can say that in this country, being a trans person of either sex is statistically much safer than being a woman or man without a trans identity.

I agree it’s almost certainly true of white men as a whole, but class and age make a HUGE difference to victimisation rates; that’s why I was specific.

Yes but the same would probably apply to "white middle class middle aged women". We don't need to do that, MTFs are male, so males are the better comparison than women.

The trans community would say yes - furthermore, if a lesbian didn't want to have sex with the new 'female' you (cos...penis!) they'd be labelled transphobic 🤯

True. Even if they were the most vulnerable they can literally take off their 'woman costume' and return to the most privileged group. No other group can remove the characteristics which make them vulnerable.

Answer me this: if I was a straight man who transitions to become a woman, I'm still attracted to women - have I magically become a lesbian now?

Marginalised? Quite the opposite imo. Their ideology is unquestioningly repeated by any number of public figures and has been surprisingly quickly embedded into our public institutions. All on the back of a very vocal and sometimes aggressive social media activism. If anything, I'd argue that they are massively overrepresented.

It’s the foundational lie of the “trans rights” movement.

Up till recently it was pretty bloody obvious to all liberal types that women (female people) are more marginalised and vulnerable than men (male people).

Obviously this made it hard for a group of male people to make demands that took away rights from female people, that actually left female people even more marginalised and vulnerable than before, and to be supported in those demands by people who identified as liberal.

Hence the need to construct a narrative saying this particular group of male people are more marginalised and vulnerable than women/female people; the most marginalised and vulnerable community in the whole of human existence, in fact.

A tidy bit of funding goes into this propaganda, and job’s a goodun.

It never had anything to do with facts or reality; purely with finding a way to make a male rights over female people movement something that they could dupe liberal minded people into supporting.

Now the “liberal” world agrees that female people are the oppressors and this group of male people the most vulnerable and marginalised ever, that we are using our vast female privilege (they’ve named it “cis privilege” to make it a bit harder to spot the lie) to deny these poor suffering male folk their basic human rights. We just don’t want to give up all that power we have. We are bad, bad bigots.

And so on, and so on.

I think it is probably true of white men as a whole as men are both more violent and at more risk of being killed. I don't think it's helpful to compare "white middle aged middle class men" against all women.

I agree it’s almost certainly true of white men as a whole, but class and age make a HUGE difference to victimisation rates; that’s why I was specific. TW in this country tend to be that demographic and I assume that’s the reason their rates of murder victimisation are lower than women’s.

Surely the correct comparison is "are transowmwn proportionately more likely to be killed by violence then men ?"

Yes, i agree. It's not so much of an issue here in the U.K. where there are hardly any trans murders, but in the US, depending which population figures you use, it sometimes comes out that MTFs as a group are murdered at the same rate or sometimes (because we are dealing with small numbers) a higher rate than women. Across all races in the US they are murdered at a much lower rate than men. Black MTFs are murdered at a lower rate than black women, and a vastly lower rate than black men.

There is data on the uk gov ons site , not specifically about transgender as the numbers there are traditionally/ historically low

At work so can't dig it up atm . Starting at someone else code so must focus !