Why are trans people the "most marginalised and vulnerable" in society?

Probably

That made me think of this -

You can try again now. I've changed your batteries and given you a quick reboot.

truth is personal!!!!

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Getting Harry vibes there

I can assure you ELO I am a real wom....

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Oh no, ELO, please do go back to explaining why it’s progressive and marvellous for some male people to impose their demands on female people at the expense of those female people’s rights! Please do continue advancing your position that harm done to female human beings in order to benefit male human beings is merely “low impact”, and nothing for male human beings (the ones who count, after all!) to worry about.

It’s so educational, and vastly entertaining. You really could have had a career in show business.

Or somewhat amusingly, is it written by a committee of incels who accidentally post a copy and paste link and then disappear.

*Who are you to deny their lived experience?

truth is personal!!!!*

ELO, shall I assume that was sarcasm?

Who knows, is anything what it seems on the internet? It's it written by a machine? A man? A woman?

So many questions.

Who are you to deny their lived experience?

truth is personal!!!!

Is this comment written by AI?

Uh? This a UK site. As much as Native Americans experience numerous oppressions and difficulties, I’m not sure why it’s relevant here

Opposition to the needs of a small group

Wants. Not needs. Not the same thing.

I had a young person recently tell me they experience hate crimes every week due to being trans, in fact they told me this started when they came out which was during COVID lockdowns. I know this person well enough and see them frequently to know they are not being assaulted on a weekly basis. And most certainly not during COVID lockdowns when they were living at home alone with their parents who I am 99.9% sure have never assaulted them.

I can only surmise that these reports of hate crimes are ones of teasing, gossip, online bullying and correctly noting sex. In my country we don't have hate speech crimes in our laws, so I'm also surmising this young person is confused about free speech.

I care for this young person but they are not well and this narrative of "most vulnerable" really isn't helping them overcome their sense of victimhood. It doesn't help them get a job, stay in school nor make healthy relationships. When a white, male, upper middle class adult with a private school education claims "most vulnerable status," it's hard to take seriously.

My husband has pretty well reached the mountain top by the GRR debacle but even he still comes out with this bull. I challenge it every time. A man in a dress and a wig is not vulnerable or marginalised

ELO just like to come here and finger wag at the naughty wimpens.

Here would be a good bet:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/dadsnet

This comes down to a fundamental. We are not allowed to disbelieve in gender identity ideology. We are not allowed to consider these male people men, because when you do that, all their special pleading arguments collapse.

Too bad.

They aren't. They are very good at complaining, though.

Every man knows that if he were homeless and in need of shelter, he'd be safest in a women's shelter. But we don't allow that and most men accept that because they aren't all massive pricks.

I agree that in a feminist forum, we really shouldn't have to center male problems, should we?

Yes, surely there's a subreddit you can join, ELO? Or start a thread in Chat, AIBU, politics, whatever.

I dare say all men would be safer in majority women's spaces. Any random male prisoner would be safer and protected if he were allowed access to a women's prison.

I also suspect that if asked, a great deal of men would like access to a women's hospital ward, to be looked after by a female nurse and to enjoy a walk through a woman's changing area (they may not readily admit that last one, but we all know many would love it).

We don't allow those men in even though they may benefit or want it, so why are transwomen extra special?

The homicide rates matter in this discussion because if a particular group is especially at risk for violent victimisation, we would expect the reported homicide rates for that group to reflect that pattern, as the end result of some of such violence.

But I agree with many on this thread that the meaning of being 'vulnerable' is so plastic that it doesn't really advance the discussion much, and different groups are vulnerable for different reasons, some for multiple reasons.

And 'marginalised' is sometimes an unclear concept, too, especially when a group which is harassed etc. is also well-funded, has the ear of governments and international organisations etc.

Finally, this reference is to a carefully done study in the US on transgender homicide rates from 2010 to 2014. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5551594/

EastLondonObserver · Today 17:58

I think it’s only a “massive distraction / waste of time” because you choose to put up such rabid opposition to the needs of a small group.

To the detriment of a far larger group, which you ignore.

Bravo, well said @RoaringtoLangClegintheDark