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Miriam Cates abuse in HoC by Lloyd Russell-Moyle

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ArabellaScott · 18/01/2023 12:50

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I thought MPs were bound by some standards of behaviour?

Yesterday the leader of the SNP at WM called his peers 'rabid gammon', which was shocking, but what I found more disturbing was Llloyd Russell-Moyle's verbal attack on Miriam Cates (clip above).

I actually found his behaviour frightening and alarming, and can't imagine how it must feel to have that venom directed at you by a colleague - let alone the slanderous accusations made.

Is it possible to make a complaint to the Labour Party about his behaviour?

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FrancescaContini · 21/01/2023 08:03

The way he crosses the floor of the HoC and sits so close to the marvellous MC - what a bully this man is.

FrancescaContini · 21/01/2023 08:01

Datun · 21/01/2023 01:21

They work for Lloyd Russell Moyle apparently. Or one of them does. Disturbing isn't it?

The nastiness is palpable.

Do either of the venomous young women in the “fascist baby” video work for the odious puce-faced one? If so, is it a paid position? Are they part of his paid staff in his role as MP?

mach2 · 21/01/2023 07:46

LRM is a weedy little twig. His "Colin" voice makes his ranting sound petulant and ridiculous. He talks of street fighting but only seems up to being creepy to female MPs. Some acquaintance with actual street fighters might render him more humble.

SinnerBoy · 21/01/2023 07:44

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 19:45

Did he speak a single word of truth in that interview? He said that sex offenders won't be able to get a GRC; I thought that the Scottish Parliament had voted that amendment down?

PomegranateOfPersephone · 21/01/2023 07:35

I think if always, everywhere and in all circumstances we lower our eyes and submit to men never questioning them on anything and speaking to them demurely and respectfully only when spoken to then possibly we can avoid transphobia??

Cheekymaw · 21/01/2023 05:20

Just seen this as up with hot flushes(😭the joy!). What a compete barsteward! Nasty evil piece of work! Imagine he did that in any other workplace ? Disgusting excuse for a man. I will fill out that Labour complaint form too but I am not hopeful that Starmer will do anything. Bloody back to spoiling ma ballot!

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 21/01/2023 03:49

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2023 23:08

I think he thinks women have to treat any man at all who is dressed in what people might perceive as women's clothes as a "trans woman".

And yet in the WiSpa incident the naked, visibly aroused man was assumed to be a trans woman because he was in a woman only spa.

So any man dressed in what people might perceive as women's clothes (and this could change country to country), or in a women's only space, or because they said so, is a woman according to the not overly bright stabby finger mantrum person?

Is this honestly his level of critical thinking?

And if you can’t make your point without using threats and intimidation you’ve already lost.

Datun · 21/01/2023 01:21

FrancescaContini · 21/01/2023 00:52

Thank you for the Twitter link; it contains a video clip of two venomous young women calling a baby a “fascist” because his/her father is (peacefully) attending a women’s rights rally.

Never seen anything like this 😡

They work for Lloyd Russell Moyle apparently. Or one of them does. Disturbing isn't it?

The nastiness is palpable.

Datun · 21/01/2023 01:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2023 23:08

I think he thinks women have to treat any man at all who is dressed in what people might perceive as women's clothes as a "trans woman".

Ah, I see. So if it's just a random, besuited man it's not transphobic to complain? Is she allowed to complain then?

FrancescaContini · 21/01/2023 00:52

ResisterRex · 20/01/2023 18:05

Thank you for the Twitter link; it contains a video clip of two venomous young women calling a baby a “fascist” because his/her father is (peacefully) attending a women’s rights rally.

Never seen anything like this 😡

Violetparis · 20/01/2023 23:17

Rosie Duffield's article and the behaviour of LRM have made the front page of the Daily Mail, hopefully this means it will get discussed in the media more widely.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2023 23:08

I think he thinks women have to treat any man at all who is dressed in what people might perceive as women's clothes as a "trans woman".

Datun · 20/01/2023 22:56

DameMaud · 20/01/2023 20:47

Think I might have found my hero!
She is so adult!
The mum I never had!
The woman I hope to be!

Also, she is the teacher who was intimidating to me- and who, as a child I thought of as 'scary' or 'bad' in some way- and yet, some other part of me loved her too- because she made me feel safe and solid.

At this time in my life, I most clearly see women with that teacher's forthrightness and honesty and self-possession as powerful and much needed and they fill me with awe, not fear. Some inner recognition is ignited by them too.

The way NB articulates the points in her thread, have that same knife-sharp succinctness and integrity as Helen J, Maya, KJK, KStock.

These women who stand up and speak (or write) their beautifully-balanced minds (compassionate AND assertive. Rational AND sensitive)- make me want to be all of what I can be. And I thank them for that.

(Makes me wonder...anyone would think there are men who have been projecting their own 'hysteria' onto deeply rational women all these millenia!)

When all of this is over, whatever happens, the treasure I'll take from the desolation will be the discovery of my sense of what it means both personally, and culturally, to be a woman.
Thanks to the powerful Queen/Goddess archetypes that have arisen in the current time. At a time when sorely needed.
Inevitable really, any extreme or any darkness, automatically brings with it it's opposite and light.

I wish I could print that twitter feed out and stick it on my wall.

Thanks for posting Jules

Interesting part of her tweet

she said she was frightened but it's only transphobia if it was a transwoman right?

She didn't actually say it was a transwoman did she?

What is he going to call it they're not obvious transwomen?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2023 22:49

And I wonder if we even needed the Equality Act really, presumably at some point someone would have / would have brought a case about breastfeeding in public and won it. They'd have won it because refusing to serve or throwing a woman out because she was breastfeeding, would've been sex-based discrimination. Or we could've just lobbied for it.

We had the Sex Discrimination Act and I wish we had kept it.

Abhannmor · 20/01/2023 22:30

He certainly seems a bit unstable. That always makes people seem more frightening. I suspect many a CLP would be looking to deselect him. But of course....Brighton.

Needmoresleep · 20/01/2023 22:17

In fairness I think Paul Bristol was protecting a colleague because he recognised his colleague needed protecting. A woman sitting in the same position might well have done the same thing. Using their back to block those stares.

He noticed, he was shocked, and then tweeted about it. He also seems to have ensured that Miriam did not have to leave the chamber alone.

Women know about aggressive men. Some men do as well.

I really hope that Labour do something about this. Creepy. Threatening. Unacceptable. They can’t let it pass.

DameMaud · 20/01/2023 20:47

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Think I might have found my hero!
She is so adult!
The mum I never had!
The woman I hope to be!

Also, she is the teacher who was intimidating to me- and who, as a child I thought of as 'scary' or 'bad' in some way- and yet, some other part of me loved her too- because she made me feel safe and solid.

At this time in my life, I most clearly see women with that teacher's forthrightness and honesty and self-possession as powerful and much needed and they fill me with awe, not fear. Some inner recognition is ignited by them too.

The way NB articulates the points in her thread, have that same knife-sharp succinctness and integrity as Helen J, Maya, KJK, KStock.

These women who stand up and speak (or write) their beautifully-balanced minds (compassionate AND assertive. Rational AND sensitive)- make me want to be all of what I can be. And I thank them for that.

(Makes me wonder...anyone would think there are men who have been projecting their own 'hysteria' onto deeply rational women all these millenia!)

When all of this is over, whatever happens, the treasure I'll take from the desolation will be the discovery of my sense of what it means both personally, and culturally, to be a woman.
Thanks to the powerful Queen/Goddess archetypes that have arisen in the current time. At a time when sorely needed.
Inevitable really, any extreme or any darkness, automatically brings with it it's opposite and light.

I wish I could print that twitter feed out and stick it on my wall.

Thanks for posting Jules

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 20:24

2003 was an excellent year. 😊

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ResisterRex · 20/01/2023 20:22

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 20:10

You know I'm beginning to wonder at what point in my life the sliding doors moment happened.

There I was 19ish voting Labour regularly insulting Gyles Brandreth when on the same train each week to now I'm sending emails to conservative mps and making official complaints about Labour mps.

I wonder if the best point for women - in terms of law - was 2003. The GRA was not yet law but the Sexual Offences Act was.

And I wonder if we even needed the Equality Act really, presumably at some point someone would have / would have brought a case about breastfeeding in public and won it. They'd have won it because refusing to serve or throwing a woman out because she was breastfeeding, would've been sex-based discrimination. Or we could've just lobbied for it.

Also the utter horror that the internet has unleashed on women and children hadn't yet happened. The opportunity was there to have put some sensible laws in place.

Instead, fetishes have flourished in parallel / partnership with an incel culture, and the unwritten rules of the internet totally favour men and male sexual preferences. Oftentimes violent ones.

And now look where we are. Worse off than 20 years ago.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/01/2023 20:10

Come on journos, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. And I haven't even listed the SNP or the Greens!!!

Or the Lib Dems.

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 20:10

You know I'm beginning to wonder at what point in my life the sliding doors moment happened.

There I was 19ish voting Labour regularly insulting Gyles Brandreth when on the same train each week to now I'm sending emails to conservative mps and making official complaints about Labour mps.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 20/01/2023 20:00

Thank you cards sent to Miriam and Rosie today. Looks like I might need to send one to Paul Bristow too.

Formal letter of complaint sent to the Speaker questioning LRM's unprofessional and unparliamentary behaviour in the Chamber. Made it clear that as a voter this damages the reputation of Parliament. Making accusations of transphobia, dismissing women's concerns and what could be construed as active intimidation - all done publicly on camera. How many other workplaces would allow that and how can women trust parliament to represent them when people like LRM behave like that.

Mollyollydolly · 20/01/2023 19:57

I really wish the mainstream channels would pick up on it. They're all too busy talking about Sunaks bloody seatbelt. It infuriates me so much. This story has been bubbling on social media all week, where are the parliamentary commentators?

nilsmousehammer · 20/01/2023 19:49

That event and clip needs its own thread. It's shocking.

An angry man feeling entitled to break all the rules, follow his impulses and invade a woman's space to intimidate her for daring to disagree with him.

Are male MPs allowed to randomly abuse women in parliament? Or is there the kind of basic expectations of behaviour and ability to maintain standards that the average playgroup can manage? Starmer and Sunak and the Speaker - where the fuck are you? Where are the consequences?

And yes, the general public (and hopefully the MPs) will start to realise from this live action demonstration just why women want and need spaces where strange, entitled and badly behaved men cannot treat them any way their whims happen to take them.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 19:45
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