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Miriam Cates abuse in HoC by Lloyd Russell-Moyle

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ArabellaScott · 18/01/2023 12:50

twitter.com/MPIainDS/status/1615658364146487297

I thought MPs were bound by some standards of behaviour?

Yesterday the leader of the SNP at WM called his peers 'rabid gammon', which was shocking, but what I found more disturbing was Llloyd Russell-Moyle's verbal attack on Miriam Cates (clip above).

I actually found his behaviour frightening and alarming, and can't imagine how it must feel to have that venom directed at you by a colleague - let alone the slanderous accusations made.

Is it possible to make a complaint to the Labour Party about his behaviour?

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 21/01/2023 11:49

See para 2 under Annexe C for commentary.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill-letter-to-msps/

It appears that it is a notification obligation on the SO rather than any automatic link up between law enforcement and the GRC process

nauticant · 21/01/2023 11:27

I suspected that that would be the case Chaz. Do you have a source for that? (I'm not doubting you, it's just I couldn't find one.)

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 21/01/2023 11:23

nauticant · 21/01/2023 08:19

I thought that the Scottish Parliament had voted that amendment down?

It was replaced by an amendment that is claimed to have an equivalent effect, see Section 6B:

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/s6-bills/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill/stage-3/bill-as-passed.pdf

This requires a Chief Constable to become aware that a bad sex offender is seeking a GRC, for the CC to decide they're bad enough for the CC to intervene, and for the CC to liaise with the Registrar General to ensure that no GRC is issued.

In other words, a blanket ban has been binned in favour of deciding if a sex offender is bad enough and maybe then, or maybe not, intervening to prevent a GRC being issued.

And the way the CC becomes aware is but the Sex Offender telling them they intend to apply. So all we have to do is rely on the Sex Offender to do the right thing.

Boiledbeetle · 21/01/2023 10:56

Isn't it just great being female in 2023?

In the spirit of Tony the Tiger 🐅

It's just GRR(Scotland)reat!

Tis feeling more like women must have felt in 1923, 1823, and 1723 at the moment depending on which delight is popping its head up to stick the boot in.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 21/01/2023 10:48

Clearly a very dangerous man.

nilsmousehammer · 21/01/2023 10:45

Women have been pointing this out for bloody years.

Who is going to stand on the doorway of a woman's space and demand to see a GRC or birth certificate?

No one. And the suggestion of gatekeeping causes raging because privacy of the male: it's not like any female matters, is it?.

And we're told that a male may be at any stage of transition, and may have made his decision two minutes before walking into the female space. And a male obviously does not have to present in any stereotypical way, because stereotypes only matter when they serve a TQ+ political purpose.

So in essence, if one male can enter under any circumstances at all, all males can, at any time, with any agenda, and by walking into that space have invoked the power and protection intended for the very small number of males with significant medical transition who passed the gate keeping of the original GRC, and expect to be accepted and unchallenged. And can threaten you with legal consequences if you dare to look sideways at them.

Isn't it just great being female in 2023?

GCAcademic · 21/01/2023 10:31

HipTightOnions · 21/01/2023 10:05

So any man dressed in what people might perceive as women's clothes (and this could change country to country), or in a women's only space, or because they said so, is a woman according to the not overly bright stabby finger mantrum person?

But of course.

Being in women-only space = living as a woman = transwoman.

Yep. Just as, if I get into my dog’s crate, I become a dog.

StansRealityStruggle · 21/01/2023 10:30

Also complained to the Labour Party. Not sure it will do much good but it's nice to feel I have actually done something.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/01/2023 10:27

FrancescaContini · 21/01/2023 08:01

Do either of the venomous young women in the “fascist baby” video work for the odious puce-faced one? If so, is it a paid position? Are they part of his paid staff in his role as MP?

Kavanagh works, or worked, directly for Lloyd. She is a caseworker or policy advisor.

SirVixofVixHall · 21/01/2023 10:16

RoyalCorgi · 18/01/2023 20:25

The worst thing about LRM is that he appears to be sincere. He is genuinely angry - not just angry, but furious to the point of incoherence - that women are saying no to men. He thinks it's completely reasonable of men to always get what they want, and completely unreasonable of women to deny it. You can hear it in his voice - he is literally incredulous that women are daring to say no. It's incredibly revealing about the way some men think about women.

Agree with this.

HipTightOnions · 21/01/2023 10:05

So any man dressed in what people might perceive as women's clothes (and this could change country to country), or in a women's only space, or because they said so, is a woman according to the not overly bright stabby finger mantrum person?

But of course.

Being in women-only space = living as a woman = transwoman.

MorvenOfMalvern · 21/01/2023 09:41

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 19:45

This man is SO hypocritical.

"It's fine for women to have concerns. They just need to talk about it using the exact words and phrases I've pre-approved"

AdamRyan · 21/01/2023 09:23

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/01/2023 08:37

Police believe rape myths

yes I mean what could possibly go wrong with that idea

That article needs a thread of its own
One police force being held up as a great example because its charge rate has tripled from 3% to 10%
Sad

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 21/01/2023 08:53

mach2 · 21/01/2023 08:13

I don't think LRM has the necessary emotional continence to occupy any position of responsibility.

agreed

he proved that with his behaviour to MC

DuncanBiscuits · 21/01/2023 08:47

Twansphobia is a tewwible thing, Wussell.

SinnerBoy · 21/01/2023 08:39

nauticant · Today 08:19

Thanks for your clarification. I suppose that if the CC is fully Stonewalled, the scumbag will get his ticket.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/01/2023 08:37

Police believe rape myths

yes I mean what could possibly go wrong with that idea

ResisterRex · 21/01/2023 08:36

nauticant · 21/01/2023 08:19

I thought that the Scottish Parliament had voted that amendment down?

It was replaced by an amendment that is claimed to have an equivalent effect, see Section 6B:

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/s6-bills/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill/stage-3/bill-as-passed.pdf

This requires a Chief Constable to become aware that a bad sex offender is seeking a GRC, for the CC to decide they're bad enough for the CC to intervene, and for the CC to liaise with the Registrar General to ensure that no GRC is issued.

In other words, a blanket ban has been binned in favour of deciding if a sex offender is bad enough and maybe then, or maybe not, intervening to prevent a GRC being issued.

I did read about this. Another abdication of responsibility and a way to direct the blame when it goes wrong ie a woman is raped.

They're relying on police information being complete, and on the police doing the right thing at all times. As we've seen recently etc etc

nauticant · 21/01/2023 08:34

And also for people to reflect on the news that's come out this week about the Police and then consider how safe it feels for the Police to intervene to safeguard women when it will be a nuisance to do this and doing it properly will see the Police come under pressure from a number of directions.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/refuge-apples-met-police-david-carrick-protest-b1054491.html

nauticant · 21/01/2023 08:28

It's not my law!

But I'm keen for people to learn about this because if they're going to argue with genderists who are claiming that the Bill contains safeguards with respect to sex offenders, then it's good that people know what's actually in the Bill.

Whyjustwhy123 · 21/01/2023 08:20

Offender!

Whyjustwhy123 · 21/01/2023 08:20

nauticant · 21/01/2023 08:19

I thought that the Scottish Parliament had voted that amendment down?

It was replaced by an amendment that is claimed to have an equivalent effect, see Section 6B:

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/s6-bills/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill/stage-3/bill-as-passed.pdf

This requires a Chief Constable to become aware that a bad sex offender is seeking a GRC, for the CC to decide they're bad enough for the CC to intervene, and for the CC to liaise with the Registrar General to ensure that no GRC is issued.

In other words, a blanket ban has been binned in favour of deciding if a sex offender is bad enough and maybe then, or maybe not, intervening to prevent a GRC being issued.

A ‘bad’ sex offended rather than those good ones?

nauticant · 21/01/2023 08:19

I thought that the Scottish Parliament had voted that amendment down?

It was replaced by an amendment that is claimed to have an equivalent effect, see Section 6B:

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/legislation/bills/s6-bills/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill/stage-3/bill-as-passed.pdf

This requires a Chief Constable to become aware that a bad sex offender is seeking a GRC, for the CC to decide they're bad enough for the CC to intervene, and for the CC to liaise with the Registrar General to ensure that no GRC is issued.

In other words, a blanket ban has been binned in favour of deciding if a sex offender is bad enough and maybe then, or maybe not, intervening to prevent a GRC being issued.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 21/01/2023 08:16

ResisterRex · 20/01/2023 18:05

I went to university with Paul Bristow. He was an absolute prick, the worst kind of human. Was awful to women and homeless people. Seeing him backing his female colleague by doing more than any party whip or leader has done has actually blown my mind. Do people really change?

mach2 · 21/01/2023 08:13

I don't think LRM has the necessary emotional continence to occupy any position of responsibility.