Miriam Cates abuse in HoC by Lloyd Russell-Moyle

He's awful, there are some utter loons on the left of labour and on the right of the tory party, and the lib dems and SNP have them too, sadly, some of them have seats pretty much for life. I wish there was a way to get them out. A real pity KS didn't use it as a chance to suspend his whip and see someone else selected ahead of the next election.

He should resign. He can’t have a say on anything that affects women if he is too stupid or too abusive that his behaviour is intimidating to women. He obviously hates women.

Cates played down Moyle's behaviour on Politics live, probably because she'd be accused of 'playing the victim' or the 'if women aren't tough enough they shouldn't be there' rhetoric put out by people who ignore the several times greater level of abuse women get, especially in public life.
However she came across very clearly, supported by Blunkett. The SNP bod dodged it by talking about democracy 🙄

ResisterRex · Today 11:20
Posted on the Duffield thread but this crosses both. William Hague on Duffield and Cates:

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1617848033340788737?s=46&t=DdxL-lFVnqwGT9wOimK_Rg

Thank you ResisterRex.
I noticed under a comment that someone said why isn’t Rishi standing up and making more things clear ‘that the definition in the Equality Act applies to biological women only, reversing the presumption that males have access to female spaces? He could fix that right away’.

The comment goes on to say that would fix Scotland too, though I am not sure if that is correct, but …

just to make the Government have to take a bit of notice at least, and consider having a debate if 100,000 signatures can be found by the cut off time in April,
please remember this petition and share it if you can even if you have already signed it.

If you know how, adding it to Twitter might help too.

It was started by Sex Matters and is to update the Equality Act to make clear the protected characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex.
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Posted on the Duffield thread but this crosses both. William Hague on Duffield and Cates:

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1617848033340788737?s=46&t=DdxL-lFVnqwGT9wOimK_Rg

Thank you, Violet

Just posted on another thread that Miriam is on Politics Live tomorrow BBC2 11.15. Will be interesting to see what she has to say and how any Labour/SNP panelists respond.

Boiledbeetle · Today 14:08

So..... those figures on his reason for crossing the floor and intimidating Miriam tweet, as I'm new to Twitter, can someone explain, does it mean it's been viewed 2.2 million times and only 65 of those 2.2 million people have agreed with him?

Possibly because most people can see that he's at the centre of a chinos based conflagration?

Use the 'wrong' pronouns and it's off to re-education camp; use intimidating behaviour towards a woman and...meh

@TheClogLady thank you for that. So if I actually ever dare tweet, if I like them I retweet it, and if I disagree I quote tweet.

God, I feel like my grannie!

In related news, if LRM is unable to anticipate that his (male) behaviour might make a (female) colleague feel intimidated, perhaps he should enter a party whip-enforced period of self reflection?

And if he did know, of course he bloody did, then he has to also admit that he was Aware of the truth of Miriams words and subsequently angry at Miriam because she was exposing the truth under it all.

We are scared of men for good reason and just their very presence in a situation or space where we are vulnerable or expected to be safe can be, and is generally perceived by women to actually be, threatening behaviour to us. Regardless of whether that man claims to be a woman or not and regardless of whether or not or to what degree we were in danger.

So didn't realise, well over 2 million people have just said it's not OK and his behaviour is exactly what women are scared o f and why we have the laws we are supposed to have. And maybe he should shut up, listen to those perks who know, like actual women, learn and find something that works for women and transwomen.

Did realise, will then he's a very dangerous man and has shown the world his misogynistic hated of women.

Neither is a good look. One is a step down for a period of sir and go breed llamas the other usually ends in dead or traumatised women.

Oily Moyley

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That’s how I would interpret those numbers, yes.

Also, the majority of the 1240 quote tweets are unlikely to be supportive (but all of the 24 retweets likely are).

Replies are set to ‘people LRM follows’ only, and the single reply-er doesn’t seem at all convinced by Oily Moyley’s excuse:

In related news, if LRM is unable to anticipate that his (male) behaviour might make a (female) colleague feel intimidated, perhaps he should enter a party whip-enforced period of self reflection?

After all, he’s just admitted that he doesn’t have adequate understanding or sufficient knowledge to participate in this debate!

If the entire rest of the world watches him intimidate a woman, but he has no concept that he's doing it, he shouldn't be let out without a responsible adult.

No concept he was being intimidatory? Really?!?
In the photo I saw he was sitting far too close and aggressively staring at Miriam Coates. There was plenty of space slightly further away from her.

@Kerry1962 that would be funny if this sort of thinking hasn’t landed us where we are today.
Where are the professionals and journalists telling David Lammy the truth. It’s as bad as Donald Trump!

So..... those figures on his reason for crossing the floor and intimidating Miriam tweet, as I'm new to Twitter, can someone explain, does it mean it's been viewed 2.2 million times and only 65 of those 2.2 million people have agreed with him?

Well Lammy thought a man could grow a cervix and women should stopping hoarding (so give away) our rights...
I think we need to bring in a series of intelligence tests before anyone is allowed to be an MP. My assumption they must be relatively bright has been beaten over the head with a shitty stick the more I know of many of them.

He started off avoiding subject but I thought Aasmah Mir was very measured and calm and he said it was unreasonable behaviour and intimidatory and should apologise.

Personally I think he should be kicked out of the party.

I'm assuming Lammy said nothing of worth or interest, and echoed the hideous little beardy cockwomble's non-excuses?

Aasmah Mir was interviewing Labour’s David Lammy this morning and at the end of the interview asked him about the abuse given to Rosie Duffield and Miriam Coates in the House of Commons and in particular from Russell Lloyd-Moyles. I think it about 7:40/7:45.

I just read about those three trusting games and feel quite sick.

I "played" one of those games at school, in a drama lesson. The one where an inert person is passed over the heads of the group.

It was one of the worst moments I can remember in my whole school life. Everyone was deeply uncomfortable and took part because they felt they had to. Until, that is, it came to the turn of a rather large girl, who must already have been feeling absolutely terrified. When it got to her turn, half of the class found their voices, and said they weren't doing it any more. The shaming of that one poor girl for her weight makes me burn with anger even now.

@Datun now you see i was at high school 84 to 88, so obviously no sex ed in infants and juniors but what we had in high school seemed very standardised. We had the video, we had some work sheets, we are talked at by an embarrassed teacher. But I always got the impression every school got the same.

Now obviously I'm hoping it's updated since the 80s but this should be a government topic. This is the material. This is the video. Do not deviate.

It's so simple why haven't they done it?

That document actually refers to colleagues who "resist" as "enemies".

But young kids. It's fucking sick. It's the first step to, "well you don't mind your friends touching your body this is no different, trust me it will feel nice, and I'll give you a chocolate bar after". as the grown man sticks his hand down the young child pants

Of course it is. We don't go around teaching little kids to trust total fucking strangers.

I've said it before, but for the love of God would it really be too difficult for the government to sanction one syllabus for sex education. Just the fucking one, to be taught to all school children, modified for age.

With input from appropriate people like child development professionals, parents, and safeguarding experts.

And that's it. No more outsourcing to Mickey Mouse outfits with a dodgy agenda.

Then none of this would be a problem. No one else gets their hands on these kids.

I think he is possibly someone who has always managed to control the narrative. Always had a lot of people on side believing his self righteous bluster even when he gets caught.

He has dealt with this controversy and backlash in the way that's always worked before. A sort of, non apology, a few winks and eye rolls to your mates in the right places and wait for it to blow over. Oh, and sling some mud and claim a bit of victimhood for yourself/those you're supporting as you go to deflect ..

I imagine this may be the first time that people will be starting to back away and say, "you've gone a bit far..."