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Miriam Cates abuse in HoC by Lloyd Russell-Moyle

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ArabellaScott · 18/01/2023 12:50

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I thought MPs were bound by some standards of behaviour?

Yesterday the leader of the SNP at WM called his peers 'rabid gammon', which was shocking, but what I found more disturbing was Llloyd Russell-Moyle's verbal attack on Miriam Cates (clip above).

I actually found his behaviour frightening and alarming, and can't imagine how it must feel to have that venom directed at you by a colleague - let alone the slanderous accusations made.

Is it possible to make a complaint to the Labour Party about his behaviour?

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ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 12:13

PronounssheRa · 20/01/2023 11:25

unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

Sitting nearby, Lloyd Russell-Moyle went puce — perhaps less surprising — and started to heckle every woman who spoke of their similar concerns. Later, when Miriam Cates, a Conservative MP and friend, spoke of her concerns around safeguarding, he accused her of being a bigot before crossing over to the Tory side of the Chamber to sit on the side benches, very close to her, staring as if to intimidate her.

I had no idea he crossed to sit near her. This is genuinely scary.

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SinnerBoy · 20/01/2023 11:57

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YouSetTheTone · 20/01/2023 11:55

I’ve sent an article by Glinner about it to my MP, and have asked him to stand up for his female constituents and publicly renounce the behaviour by bully boy above and others towards Miriam Cates and Rosie Duffield. These women are being heckled and abused in Parliament for raising reasonable concerns over the safety of women and children. It’s a revolting display of misogyny and the silence from the majority of MPs is just as bad as the bullying. The fact it’s not called out normalises this aggression towards women talking about things that concern us.

SinnerBoy · 20/01/2023 11:34

I've complained, to. This is what I wrote:

"Lloyd Russell-Moyle verbally abused Miriam Cates in the House of Commons. He shouted at her, accusing her falsely of making transphobic comments, when she recounted an incident. Further, he pointed aggressively at her, that can result in a person being arrested for assault, if done in public. He made a complete non apology to the Deputy speaker and in it, said that he stood by his words. His behaviour was disgusting and completely unacceptable.
He was utterly contemptuous and bullying towards the female MP."

PronounssheRa · 20/01/2023 11:25

unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

Sitting nearby, Lloyd Russell-Moyle went puce — perhaps less surprising — and started to heckle every woman who spoke of their similar concerns. Later, when Miriam Cates, a Conservative MP and friend, spoke of her concerns around safeguarding, he accused her of being a bigot before crossing over to the Tory side of the Chamber to sit on the side benches, very close to her, staring as if to intimidate her.

ScrollingLeaves · 19/01/2023 23:35

MorvenOfMalvern · Today 21:47

Thank you. I’ve used the form you posted.

MorvenOfMalvern · 19/01/2023 21:47

Sorry, i've posted this on a few threads but it's a v easy form -

Found this form. Interestingly, and surprisingly you can tick a box to say you're complaining about sexism and misogyny!

labour.org.uk/complaints/making-a-complaint/

DevilinaCardigan · 19/01/2023 17:29

I live in his constituency and follow him on Facebook. He’s posted about the nurses strike with a picture of him and two men. Of course men can be nurses, but it’s still a predominantly a female dominated profession.
The only women LRM cares about have penises.

TheHarpySings · 19/01/2023 17:02

SinnerBoy · 19/01/2023 16:49

TheHarpySings

Oh God! What you say doesn't surprise me in the least. Did you complain about the little tick?

I didn’t see the point. This was 2018. Corbyn was still in charge and LRM was a Momentum aligned MP.

Sadly with the state of things he’s unlikely to be ousted any time soon- the constituency consists of uni students, Brighton’s gay village and several deprived areas that are getting shat on by the Government on a daily basis.

SinnerBoy · 19/01/2023 16:49

TheHarpySings

Oh God! What you say doesn't surprise me in the least. Did you complain about the little tick?

TheHarpySings · 19/01/2023 16:48

SinnerBoy · 18/01/2023 15:47

ArabellaScott · Today 15:43

Can you imagine being his constituent? Can you imagine being a female constituent? A female constituent with views he disagrees with?

It's horrifying, isn't it? They are supposed to be diplomatic with constituents, be they racists or whatever.

I am a constituent.

I had a face to face meeting with the fragrant Lloyd in 2018 during the GRA reform consultation. It took an hour. 80% of that time was him lecturing me instead listening to what my concerns were. I found him incredibly patronising and insulting.

I think I posted about it here at the time, not sure if it was under this username or not.

ScrollingLeaves · 19/01/2023 11:56

JulesJules · Today 10:43
Excellent thread here on 'what needs to be resolved in the Great Gender Debate'

twitter.com/NABurkinshaw/status/1615609414173483009

It is, thank you for posting it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2023 11:15

YY, Kucing

JulesJules · 19/01/2023 10:43

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Kucinghitam · 19/01/2023 10:40

The fact that the man deliberately intimidated her and she didn't feel safe in a female space where it sounds like she was alone (I can easily picture the staring and aggression) was irrelevant to him.

TBH I think some people (mostly men, but some women) who are convinced that they're Good actually consider it marvellous that Bad Unpeople are intimidated or scared.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2023 10:23

It was vile. Frightening. The finger-pointing fury at a woman who dared to admit to being uneasy about encountering a man in a women's toilet. Where does that anger and contempt for women come from?

He didn't even explain why he thought the man Cates encountered was 'trans': he was presumably trans and thereby entitled to be in the ladies' simply by being there.

Yes, this is exactly this. He was a man dressed in women's clothing, as she described, therefore he was automatically trans to LRM. The fact that the man deliberately intimidated her and she didn't feel safe in a female space where it sounds like she was alone (I can easily picture the staring and aggression) was irrelevant to him.

SinnerBoy · 19/01/2023 10:18

@BaronMunchausen

Re the Pink News rubbish about men not being stronger than women, they publish so many lies that they ought to be banned. It happened to Russia Today an the Iranian news channel.

AdamRyan · 19/01/2023 10:08

Women learn to be assertive not aggressive to put their point across, as any hint of aggression can trigger a even more aggressive response from a man, or the point could be discounted as the woman is overemotional/hysterical

Men get more focus on what they say, not how they say it so they don't get as much training in being measured

SinisterBumFacedCat · 19/01/2023 10:07

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From the protest outside last night.

Same old misogyny.

Datun · 19/01/2023 10:01

RoyalCorgi · 19/01/2023 09:31

The interview with Selina Todd is really chilling. I've never heard it before but you gather everything about him from his tone and the way he talks then. Really scary stuff.

Professor Todd is so eloquent. I think we're fortunate on our side that we have so many highly articulate women (Helen Joyce is another example) who are able to make a calm, well-reasoned argument with great fluency. It's such a contrast to people like Russell Moyle, India Willoughby and so on whose tenor runs the gamut from highly emotive to spit-flecked rage.

Its almost like they expect to be listened to and get their own way just by shouting...

Bellaisoneluckywoman · 19/01/2023 09:38

Repulsive man. I sent a complaint to [email protected] yesterday saying I hoped he was being formally disciplined.

Lottapianos · 19/01/2023 09:32

Oh gosh yes, I'm sure he's all about the 'actual science' 🙄

RoyalCorgi · 19/01/2023 09:31

The interview with Selina Todd is really chilling. I've never heard it before but you gather everything about him from his tone and the way he talks then. Really scary stuff.

Professor Todd is so eloquent. I think we're fortunate on our side that we have so many highly articulate women (Helen Joyce is another example) who are able to make a calm, well-reasoned argument with great fluency. It's such a contrast to people like Russell Moyle, India Willoughby and so on whose tenor runs the gamut from highly emotive to spit-flecked rage.

RudsyFarmer · 19/01/2023 09:29

Just this prick alone will ensure I never vote Labour.

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2023 09:24

her 'claim' that men are stronger than women is "a hateful narrative" that "is not based in actual science";

Oh, gosh.

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