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Miriam Cates abuse in HoC by Lloyd Russell-Moyle

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ArabellaScott · 18/01/2023 12:50

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I thought MPs were bound by some standards of behaviour?

Yesterday the leader of the SNP at WM called his peers 'rabid gammon', which was shocking, but what I found more disturbing was Llloyd Russell-Moyle's verbal attack on Miriam Cates (clip above).

I actually found his behaviour frightening and alarming, and can't imagine how it must feel to have that venom directed at you by a colleague - let alone the slanderous accusations made.

Is it possible to make a complaint to the Labour Party about his behaviour?

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Violetparis · 20/01/2023 16:40

I am wondering if copying any complaints to Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker of the House of Commons is worth doing too.

PronounssheRa · 20/01/2023 16:11

It's intimidation. Moving that close to her in the chamber.

I have no faith that the Labour leadership will do anything about it. I hope I'm wrong though

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/01/2023 15:48

The sight of abusive men using parliament to openly threaten and abuse a women is grim. If the physical attempt at intimidation by moving towards her and staring in an attempt to use his physical size and power to intimidate her, then surely that's a workplace disciplinary offence - even in the misogynistic Labour party?

HelenHywater · 20/01/2023 15:48

I have also complained to the Labour Party. I did call him Lloyd Russell-Mole by mistake.

Horrible Horrible man. I know someone who is a close friend of his and have no clue how she can be so.

GCAcademic · 20/01/2023 15:43

RudsyFarmer · 19/01/2023 09:29

Just this prick alone will ensure I never vote Labour.

That's exactly how I feel. Imagine if these people actually had power.

MorvenOfMalvern · 20/01/2023 15:41

You're not the only one.

I've shared the form and Rosie's article everywhere, do the same. Send the form link to any of your TERFy coven

Skyellaskerry · 20/01/2023 15:18

IcakethereforeIam · 20/01/2023 13:14

Why not both?

I will do that.

SinnerBoy · 20/01/2023 14:54

I had an email response, so, presumably, it cannot just be deleted.

I hope....

ScrollingLeaves · 20/01/2023 14:53

I did the complaint form. I hope that does not mean that ‘captured’ interns just delete it and any other complaint they don’t like.

If I get more energy I’ll write to more, like you did Boiledbeetle

Bellaisoneluckywoman · 20/01/2023 14:52

You are NOT the only one. Bravo to all who have submitted formal complaints. If I allow myself to dwell on this issue too long I risk falling into a pit of fury and despair so deep I worry I may never get out again.

And hurrah for Glinner being back on Twitter. So delightfully direct and unapologetic about pointing out the BS.

IcakethereforeIam · 20/01/2023 14:50

He'll be round to break your windows!

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 14:43

IcakethereforeIam · 20/01/2023 14:40

Yay @Boiledbeetle

I'm working on the assumption that I'm not The only one or I've just outed myself to parliament😱

IcakethereforeIam · 20/01/2023 14:40

Yay @Boiledbeetle

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2023 14:30

IcakethereforeIam · 20/01/2023 13:14

Why not both?

I did both and to the oik himself and to Kier. And wrote to Miriam.

I'm so sick of this shit.

This was supposed to be one of those awful memories we all have from 30+ years ago. when some men thought it still acceptable to speak to women like this in public

Not fucking 2023.

In parliament.

Helleofabore · 20/01/2023 14:16

What happened to my post?

I was merely agreeing that the framing of what happened to her was excellent at highlighting the issues.

Helleofabore · 20/01/2023 14:15

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 13:53

It is only just now starting to dawn on me just how brilliant Miriam's speech was.

She was pointing at the Emperor.

Her description of 'a man wearing women's clothes' cuts to the heart of how the situation is for a woman. Before we get into a discussion about pronouns, or preferences, or gender identity, what a woman sees is 'a man wearing woman's clothes'.

We have had so much focus on the preferences of transwomen, how they wish to be addressed, what spaces they wish to use, that nobody has spoken clearly, plainly and simply described what it is for a woman to meet 'a man wearing women's clothes' in a single sex space.

I

BaronMunchausen · 20/01/2023 14:06

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 13:53

It is only just now starting to dawn on me just how brilliant Miriam's speech was.

She was pointing at the Emperor.

Her description of 'a man wearing women's clothes' cuts to the heart of how the situation is for a woman. Before we get into a discussion about pronouns, or preferences, or gender identity, what a woman sees is 'a man wearing woman's clothes'.

We have had so much focus on the preferences of transwomen, how they wish to be addressed, what spaces they wish to use, that nobody has spoken clearly, plainly and simply described what it is for a woman to meet 'a man wearing women's clothes' in a single sex space.

I could hear some MPs angrily shouting "she" when Miriam Cates said "he". They knew better, at a remove, than her. The 'correction' indicates that some MPs hold that anyone in clothing traditionally worn by women, is therefore a woman; that it's the clothing which defines 'woman; and/or that any man who is in the Ladies' is also thereby a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 13:53

It is only just now starting to dawn on me just how brilliant Miriam's speech was.

She was pointing at the Emperor.

Her description of 'a man wearing women's clothes' cuts to the heart of how the situation is for a woman. Before we get into a discussion about pronouns, or preferences, or gender identity, what a woman sees is 'a man wearing woman's clothes'.

We have had so much focus on the preferences of transwomen, how they wish to be addressed, what spaces they wish to use, that nobody has spoken clearly, plainly and simply described what it is for a woman to meet 'a man wearing women's clothes' in a single sex space.

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DarkDayforMN · 20/01/2023 13:16

Sadly with the state of things he’s unlikely to be ousted any time soon- the constituency consists of uni students, Brighton’s gay village and several deprived areas that are getting shat on by the Government on a daily basis.

I get that Labour could probably run a stuffed monkey in this seat and win, but do they have to? Can't the local party deselect him, or the national party ban him from being a candidate as he's clearly not fit for public office?

IcakethereforeIam · 20/01/2023 13:14

Why not both?

Skyellaskerry · 20/01/2023 13:07

Does anyone know if it’s better to use the labour complaint form or email the labour chief whip which I think has also been mentioned?

DerekFaker · 20/01/2023 12:26

*trending.

I'm finding Mumsnet very slow and sticky at the moment!

DerekFaker · 20/01/2023 12:26

#NeverLabour is currently trensong on UK twitter

Lottapianos · 20/01/2023 12:18

'he accused her of being a bigot before crossing over to the Tory side of the Chamber to sit on the side benches, very close to her, staring as if to intimidate her.'

Um, WHAT??!!! Never mind 'unparliamentary', that is downright unhinged and scary. There is absolutely no excuse for that, none.

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ArabellaScott · 20/01/2023 12:14

TheHarpySings · 19/01/2023 17:02

I didn’t see the point. This was 2018. Corbyn was still in charge and LRM was a Momentum aligned MP.

Sadly with the state of things he’s unlikely to be ousted any time soon- the constituency consists of uni students, Brighton’s gay village and several deprived areas that are getting shat on by the Government on a daily basis.

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I think he needs to be disciplined, rather than 'ousted'. Sexist aggression is just unacceptable.

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