Is the anything solid at all to back up TransPeople being the most vulnerable?

I have grave concerns about the vulnerability of all the autistic gender non conforming girls identifying as trans.

So I don't disagree that specific groups of trans identifying people are exceptionally vulnerable.

The very people that they are vulnerable from though are the same people who are using their vulnerability as a stick to weaken the protections for women and girls.

The people trying to protect them and women/children generally) are the people the vulnerability stick is being used to beat.

So let's start agreeing that they are very vulnerable, and require extra special protections to safeguard them from sexism, homophobia, exploitation and additional mental health support. Allow us to put protections in place to weed out the bad actors and the fakers.

Why would anyone wanting to protect this very vulnerable group have an issue with that?

Very enlightening to see some stats - I always roll my eyes when the “vulnerable” trope is rolled out (which it is in every single discussion on the subject)

Thank you MNHQ for reinstating my post at 17:35 that simply stated true statistical facts.

Oddly, no one is arguing that Black men be shielded by women in our prisons, bathrooms or changing places. You could argue they'd be much safer with us than their male peers.

I only have US data, but I think it's relevant as we know male pattern violence has similar trends around the world. Please note that the US has a much higher murder rate but take of it what you will (my personal opinion is it's due to gun access). I wanted to give context to this reporting: www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/report-says-at-least-32-transgender-people-were-killed-in-the-u-s-in-2022

PLEASE note that I am happy to have my math challenged...in fact, I welcome any statistician to review as I want this data to be as accurate as possible.

(Rates are per 100,000 based on US population data)

There were 24,576 recorded homicides in 2022. 1,011 of these murders were children under the age of 14. A rate of 1.7 (I list this group twice to reinforce my conclusion below)

4,618 women were murdered in the US in 2022. A rate of 2.8

19,958 men were murdered in the US in 2022. A rate of 12.3

332 Native American men were murdered in the US in 2022. A rate of 13.5.

11,935 Black men were murdered in the US in 2022. That's a rate of 52.7!!!! (a massive tragedy and IMO due in part to our historical stain of slavery)

Native American men make up roughly 1.4% of the US population. Pew Research in 2021 found that about 1.6% of US adults are transgender or non-binary. So similar sized populations.

Compare 32 trans people murdered vs 332 Native Men for a similar sized population.

My very rough math is putting the murder rate of transwomen to about 1.28 so BELOW the rate of women being murdered and FAR below the rates of male populations, and below the rates of similarly sized Native American male population (and arguably one that can point to discrimination, poverty and historical wrongs)

The murder rate for US children ages 0-14 per 100k is 1.7.

Trans people and non-binary people are SAFER than children in the US.

www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

Suppose it depends on your definition of the terms "vulnerable" and "trans". I'd have thought that prostitutes of any flavour, abused women, and children, single pensioners living alone, drug addicts, Afghan women, are a lot more vulnerable, all in slightly different ways.

It's really unhelpful when Mumsnet delete your post for telling the truth 🙄

No. Dyslexicdementor
No typo.

The MOJ released Data in 2018 showing that half of all transgender inmates have been convicted with one or more sex offenses.

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/
See First paragraph in the above link from Fair Play for Women.

womansplaceuk.org/2020/12/16/fair-play-for-women-uncover-new-crime-data/
See top paragraph from Women's place UK.

The BBC themselves even had to admit the fact that around half of male transpeople in prison are inside with one or more sex offense conviction. But I'm not digging any more links out.

@Circumferences -

There must be a typo in your comment.

Did you intend to write that “ 48% of TW in prison are ….”?

Either way, would you please provide a link to your sources? If I’ve not miss understood the original poster - they requested ‘solid’ information which I assume means that they would appreciate referenced peer reviewed articles etc.
thanks!

Curiously enough the actual data seem to show the opposite. Eg murder rates show TW are equally as likely to commit murder as they are to be a victim of that.
Sex crime figures show that 48% of TW are in prison for sex crimes against women and children, compared to 16% of men in general.

Anecdata will have you believe victim status because most of it is self reported. "Victim of a hate crime" includes your mum using your birth sex pronoun.

Pleas find a few relevant links below. 😊

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8537/CBP-8537.pdf

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-020-08902-3

www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures/ie-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity/struggle-trans-and-gender-diverse-persons

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

I’ve never seen any supporting data.

Also, this ‘certificate’ they are going to get in Scotland (maybe), what will they do with it? I’ve never had to produce a piece of paper to do anything. Except my passport to travel.