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Is anyone else watching the debate in the HOC live now?

295 replies

Sausagenbacon · 17/01/2023 14:29

Gripping stuff. Unfortunately I've missed the 1st 30 minutes, and I'm hoping I can catch up.

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KatMcBundleFace · 17/01/2023 17:56

Rosie Duffield. Fucking love her.

twitter.com/BellaWallerstei/status/1615359035758321665?s=20&t=6GXp0kVYGARctoQCGsjpcA

JoodyBlue · 17/01/2023 17:53

@HipTightOnions yes, that is my understanding (not a legal person though). Seems to be saying a GRC changes sex. In which case, protected characteristic of sex has to include trans women for all purposes. No more legal possibility of women only groups for any purpose.

Snowshower · 17/01/2023 17:51

Can someone explain what the vote means?

Appalonia · 17/01/2023 17:51

JoodyBlue · 17/01/2023 17:47

I'm watching catchup. Just had to drop in to say Miriam Cates was so so impressive.

She really was! Shame it was followed by that blistering fool nearly self combusti ng with the 'transphobia ' of standing up for women and girls...

HipTightOnions · 17/01/2023 17:50

I'm worried by section 4 of the Statement of Reasons posted earlier.

It seems to be saying pretty unequivocally that a GRC legally "changes someone's sex" for all purposes, no exceptions at all.

JoodyBlue · 17/01/2023 17:47

I'm watching catchup. Just had to drop in to say Miriam Cates was so so impressive.

ResisterRex · 17/01/2023 17:41

NecessaryScene · 17/01/2023 17:00

Lloyd's gone postal

Russell-Moyle? He was born postal, afaict.

This LRM? The one who used a family tragedy without permission, to score points and advocate for children being taught about autoerotic asphyxiation??

Shocked I tell you. Shocked.

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-06-30/debates/a6bb80d9-ac09-4455-9162-604f032a60fb/WestminsterHall

"I did not plan to say this, but during the pandemic, my second cousin—a 15-year-old boy—died in a tragic accident of auto-asphyxiation. It devastated the family, as can be imagined, and happened in the pandemic when we were only allowed six people at the funeral. If he had been taught about risky sex acts—he was 15, not a pre-pubescent child—and how to make sure he did things safely, rather than just learning something from the internet that then led to the end of his life, he might still be around and his family might not be devastated. So, actually, because of that personal experience I do have a problem with saying that we should not teach any of this to our children."

IMustDoMoreExercise · 17/01/2023 17:40

AutumnCrow · 17/01/2023 17:04

Craig Mackinlay talks about naivety.

I used to work with him. He is a very clever guy. I don't agree with all his views though.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 17/01/2023 17:38

So good the NS is using this as a political football as even This Morning discussed it today.

It was the first time I remember them discussing trans issues.

It was also the first time that Sonia (who is left wing) and Nick Ferrari (who is right wing) agreed on everything.

justasking111 · 17/01/2023 17:38

What does rabid gammon mean?

ArabellaScott · 17/01/2023 17:36

Are they lying or stupid?

Yes.

LizzieSiddal · 17/01/2023 17:35

How can they say with a straight face that their bill does not affect women or girls in any way?

Are they lying or stupid?

ArabellaScott · 17/01/2023 17:35

I can't believe the Speaker didn't hold Lloyd Russell-Moyle in contempt for his tie alone.

JanesLittleGirl · 17/01/2023 17:31

Abhannmor · 17/01/2023 17:19

Remember when English people used to say : why can't we have leaders like Sturgeon and Mhairi Black?

No, me neither.

AutumnCrow · 17/01/2023 17:29

Alan Brown (SNP): deliberately comparing trans people with predators.

There's a very sinister undertone to MPs in Parliament who will not accept the basic tenets of safeguarding, hiding behind this veil of 'concern'.

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/01/2023 17:29

Voting?

Appalonia · 17/01/2023 17:28

Well that ended quickly! Was there an outcome? Confused...

ArabellaScott · 17/01/2023 17:28

Oh, that's a rather truncated link. Miriam Cates' speech. And L Russell Moyle.

ArabellaScott · 17/01/2023 17:27

t.co/tPm4bqXIzl

Appalonia · 17/01/2023 17:25

The level of debate is no better than on Twitter. Depressing.

MarshaBradyo · 17/01/2023 17:25

Appalonia · 17/01/2023 17:23

And claims the bill has no impact on the lives of women. Really?

Why do they say this?

And fgs they are manufacturing this culture war

AutumnCrow · 17/01/2023 17:24

Wee Ian's back from the bar.

Appalonia · 17/01/2023 17:23

And claims the bill has no impact on the lives of women. Really?

AutumnCrow · 17/01/2023 17:22

Dear fucking lord. Kirsty Blackman is a believer. The guy behind her (the Corbynesque looking fella) isn't, I would hazard.

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/01/2023 17:22

Now another woman speaking against women sigh.
Apparently we are privileged and entitled.