Is anyone else watching the debate in the HOC live now?

I wonder if it was him then. It was a kind and supportive voice that I would have appreciated in her situation (I will never be in her situation because I'm a coward, and I'd have cried)

Thank you. This is very useful.

Oh I'd say definitely NOT comradely but then i currently seem to be a rather defective member of the Labour party so who knows!

They're so of calling to me. What's uncomradely behaviour in their book do you think? Is screaming at a colleague comradely?

Welll, would be a shame not to really wouldn't it! Wouldn't want to waste a perfectly good set of tick boxes

Wasn't it!

I'm wondering whether to go through and do one for all the labour MPs at the demo, BB and CN for their behaviour towards RD and MC etc.

Could keep me busy!

Thank you, I've complained via that method as well now. The list of tick boxes was interesting!

You can hear someone (male) coaching Miriam through hers, "ignore them....you've got 2 minutes" etc. I'd like to know who they were and thank them.

Found this form. Interestingly, and surprisingly you can tick a box to say you're complaining about sexism and misogyny!

labour.org.uk/complaints/making-a-complaint/

Mordaunt in the Commons today. Changed her tune:

twitter.com/pennymordaunt/status/1616112489309028355?s=46&t=Xt-M748KvrsLbs2HsyjUsg

I started listening as Jack made the statement to the house. In the debate that followed a lot of the women MPs were being heckled, but you could at least hear male MPs in the background saying things like “mate, you’re literally talking over women, stop it”.

Thanks for the Hansard links.

I find it frustrating that whole the words of the main speakers are recorded, the insults and heckling are just down as (interruption) and not clear who. So people like Ben Bradshaw slide under the radar.

Bottomley a bit earlier in the debate is sensible too - talks about ensuring women’s rights are protected.

Thanks for that. I couldn't bring myself to listen to the speeches but it's interesting to read them. Cates is very calm and rational. For me the most significant thing she says is "if the law is not based on fact, then how can we trust the law?" That is absolutely fundamental, and something all legislators should have in mind when passing law.

LRM, on the other hand, just delivers an angry rant, with characteristic use and misuse of the word "dogwhistle". They really are completely without the bounds of reason.

Section 35 was also debated in the Lords yesterday:

hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2023-01-18/debates/27EECCF9-B604-4C5B-8166-DDE2DD23AB0C/ScotlandAct1998Section35Power

It's bizarre. You can support any trans people you know / are related to without ever having to agree on anything which isn't scientifically / biologically possible.

I do this every day with the trans man I work with. My feelings / beliefs aren't ever brought into it as there's no need.

Thornberry has a transman relative, and seems to have completely lost the plot on this as a result.

Link to Hansard if anyone is interested.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-01-17/debates/C38A813A-B5E9-41E5-97AC-FAF39F161706/GenderRecognitionReform(Scotland)BillSection35Power

Miriam Cates starts her speech at 4.50 pm.

It's staggering how even once-intelligent QCs have been ensnared by this cult-like thinking.

Thornberry must think we're all idiots, bearing in mind we can all watch it for ourselves. But then, she also thinks that men can have a cervix, so maybe it's her who's the idiot?

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 19:41

It's the pointing finger that pushed me over the edge more than his shouting to be honest. Probably as for me that was always the indicator that violence was about to occur. Shouting on its own, not great but once the finger comes into play that's losing control on a different level to me.

To me, combining that with the footage of him saying that he'd fight in the streets, I get the idea that he wants to join the trans zealots in beating women up. Seriously. Labour need to get rid of him, but Starmer and Thornberry have come down on the side of Sturgeon, with Thornberry essentially denying that he was abusing her.

I get update emails from The Telegraph - the latest one is seeking views if anyone wants to email in.

Your View | After Rishi Sunak blocked Nicola Sturgeon's gender reforms, do you agree with the Prime Minister – and why? Email a short comment to [email protected], with Front Page in the subject line, and include your name. Your view might be included in an article.

I just saw a tweet about Karin Smith and it used the term ‘barracking’. I was most confused until I realised she was NOT saying that men were ‘cheering on’ the women discussing their sex based rights.

Obviously words take on different meanings in different countries. I am glad I looked it up though because it completely changed the meaning of what she was saying.