Complications from trans surgery!

Conversion therapy is not about highlighting risks. At all.

For a number of species of reptile their gender is determined by temperature and length of incubation. This leads to some hatching chromosomally male, but with female sexual characteristics, and visa versa. Just one example

Humans are mammals however. What relevance is this?

One example in animal kingdom: For a number of species of reptile their gender is determined by temperature and length of incubation. This leads to some hatching chromosomally male, but with female sexual characteristics, and visa versa. Just one example.

Dear god. This is bollocks.

Mind you, if legislation banning "conversion therapy" includes "gender identity" and is passed in the UK Parliament, won't warning about the downsides of "gender affirming" surgery become illegal?

It’s so new and experimental though that all risks aren’t known.
I also very much agree with previous comments about language. If you are young and perhaps operating at a younger age intellectually you are told you are getting a vagina that’s what you assume. I only discovered what a fistula was as a late teen reading at article in Marie Claire about a surgeon operating on girls in an African country after they had been ostracised with fistulas caused by child marriage and long unassisted labour. That article sprang to mind - this dr was repairing fistulas now some drs create them.

One example in animal kingdom: For a number of species of reptile their gender is determined by temperature and length of incubation. This leads to some hatching chromosomally male, but with female sexual characteristics, and visa versa. Just one example.

The desperate need for more trained counsellors is vital.

Glinner is Graham Linehan, the comedy writer. Glinner is the name he uses on Twitter. Substack is a blogging website, I believe.

Have a read of the First Do No Harm report

www.immdsreview.org.uk/downloads/IMMDSReview_Web.pdf

Lack of information needed for true informed consent is a massive problem. I am actually doing an Mres around informed consent as I feel so strongly about it.

Glinner is Graham Linehan. Substack is the name of the type of website he posts on. He also hosts other people's work, there's a recent article from a parent who 'deprogrammed' their child, by recognising trans ideology as akin to being a teensy bit c*ltish (MN is a little bit ticklish about that word).

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For example, if you say 'lupron', 'puberty blockers' and use the word 'castration' in the same sentence on here, the post will be deleted.

How can you not care?

These are vulnerable people being missold irreversible medical procedures that will destroy their quality of life forever. Some of the victims were set on this path as literal children.

With my armchair psychologist hat on, I wonder whether they've created an open, painful and difficult to heal surgical wound that reflects how they feel inside.

I'm not sure if you are getting this yet.

People who have tried to study and report on the risks have been prevented from doing so. So how would anyone know the risks if people are prevented from reporting on them?

@JusteanBiscuits I think I kind of agree with you. Gender, in so far as it exists at all, isn't black and white. Sex on the other hand is black and white, male and female even taking dsd's into account. I don't understand your animal kingdom digression, you surely don't mean.....clownfish!?

Better mental health support seems so obvious to me, I think it's inarguable but definitely not affirmation only.

Yes I agree. If I go for an operation I expect to be told all the risks.

What's Glinner and Substack

Yes I agree. It's the same with any operation etc. If there needs to be an inquiry or something so be it.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/

There is an article on Glinner's substack by a mother of a child wanting to transition. Everyone should read it.

Richie Heron, Sinead Watson and Chloe Cole are three people speaking out about what they were told might happen. Mainly they were not forewarned about any of it. The detransitioners reddit has grown to over 40,000 subscribers.

Medics that might want to explain it, are at risk of being sacked or doxxed or cancelled if they dare to speak out about what the after effects might be. Jordan Peterson is about to lose his licence for speaking out about it [and to be sent for 'reeducation'.

The 'joke' in the GIDS in London was that there would be no gay people left, as so many parents were transitioning their little gay kids.

James Esses wanted to look into it as part of his MSc and was kicked out of university for suggesting it.

To say that adults or teens are fully informed is a lie, whichever way you look at it. Children are being told in schools that they can be anything they want to be.

Teens who have had mastectomies are asking when their breasts will grow back. This is heartbreaking.

Callous. I care. I want these troubled youngsters to be given appropriate help and support in the hope that they can learn to live with themselves better. All the evidence from decades ago was that most of them did grow out of gender dysphoria by the time they were through puberty.

I've had common treatments and surgeries for actual serious health issues, and I did not even get correct information from my surgeons or doctors from all the side effects or long term issues I could experience.

So I absolutely believe these people are not informed correctly.

It’s almost like these surgeons have opened up a gaping wound in these people and then the body has tried to heal but is so injured it doesn’t do very well…

What is needed, more than anything, is adequate mental health support and counselling. At the moment there is a huge dearth of people trained in supporting those questioning their gender.

Rather than close the whole conversation down, we need real support. Long term counselling by those who are trained in gender issues. I believe that gender isn't always simply black and white - it's known in the animal kingdom, so should be expected in humans. BUT, it's such a huge massive undertaking, that we need to ensure that anyone struggling is protected from rushing into decisions. Young people need protecting - and in theory, they should be, but the reality is the lack of support available.