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Complications from trans surgery!

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Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 20:20

I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

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RichardBarrister · 19/01/2023 09:52

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Exactly. And yes, she seems to have some odd set up where not having malpractice means she can’t get sued. A patient of hers who nearly died of sepsis has looked into it as she wanted to take legal action.

Sidhbh not only makes funky adverts for her ‘yeeting the teets’ on social media aimed at children and young people but also advertises that she will perform surgery on people whose weight means that other surgeons won’t operate because if the safety risks.

The patient who nearly died was obese and had been rejected by other surgeons until she list weight but Sidhbh claimed her methods means all would be fine and went ahead. The patient ended up with 6 inches of necrotic tissue and a gaping hole in her side where her weight had turned out to be an issue. When she contacted Sidhbh fir advice, she was brushed off and told all was fine. She ended up in A&E as an emergency.

‘Dr’ Gallagher seems to operate with impunity and sees young patients from the UK.

In the UK the rules are stricter but a prominent surgeon who specialises in trans surgery was recently in front of the BMA for lying about a ‘serious incident’ that happened while treating a patient. I’m not sure if the outcome of the hearing.

He markets his services on Instagram, sometimes posing for pictures with his shirt off next to young patients who have had double mastectomy. He looks to be in his 60s.

AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 09:52

lifeturnsonadime · 19/01/2023 09:46

I am led to believe that the person who Yeets Teets [takes the breasts off of teenage girls] doesn't have malpractice insurance so if she is sued she will just go bankrupt. I expect her to have put all her money into some offshore account. It's like looking at a cartel operation.

If this isn't a crime, why not?

Same reason people scream 'Fuck off bigot' and shove most discussion to the dark feminism board. Nobody wants to discuss the horrors of what has been happening.

TheKeatingFive · 19/01/2023 09:47

She's also one of the few surgeons that will operate over a certain BMI (not deemed to be safe by the establishment).

A particularly gruesome story emerged on Twitter from an obese kid who'd gone through a botched surgery with her. She basically waved away their concerns, then stopped answering their calls, leaving them to go to A&E and now try to find someone else to fix the mess. Absolutely criminal.

lifeturnsonadime · 19/01/2023 09:46

I am led to believe that the person who Yeets Teets [takes the breasts off of teenage girls] doesn't have malpractice insurance so if she is sued she will just go bankrupt. I expect her to have put all her money into some offshore account. It's like looking at a cartel operation.

If this isn't a crime, why not?

AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 09:44

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Welcome to the dark side of being a TERFy bigot.

PoIIyPandemonium · 19/01/2023 09:41

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TheKeatingFive · 19/01/2023 09:39

Christ alive, I've just googled Sidhbh Gallagher. She is a monster, targeting children for really harmful surgery on TikTok. She needs to be in prison. Why the actual fuck isn't she in prison?

I. Know. Right

PoIIyPandemonium · 19/01/2023 09:38

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AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 07:41

I would have thought the process would be as strict in USA as anywhere due to the level of litigation generally.

You'd think right?

I am led to believe that the person who Yeets Teets [takes the breasts off of teenage girls] doesn't have malpractice insurance so if she is sued she will just go bankrupt. I expect her to have put all her money into some offshore account. It's like looking at a cartel operation.

Im sorry what? They "yeet teets"?! It's not a jolly little outing.

Chersfrozenface · 19/01/2023 09:04

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Sidhbh Gallagher, based in Miami.

nothingcomestonothing · 19/01/2023 09:00

Who is this person?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11303919/Florida-sex-change-surgeon-dubs-Dr-Teetus-Deletus-REPORTED-consumer-watchdog.html

Trigger warning - some of her content is quite distressing, photos of her grinning next to very young girls with self harm scars post mastectomy etc

PoIIyPandemonium · 19/01/2023 08:55

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nothingcomestonothing · 19/01/2023 08:45

Let's face it, neither a post-op F2M nor a post-op M2F is as much of a threat to women as some people who claim to be pre-op M2F might occasionally be

Sadly not true - males whose penis doesn't work, either from surgery or medication, use objects to sexually assault instead. I'm wracking my brains trying to think of the recentish case where a transwoman attacked the owner of a clothes shop catering to transwomen, I can't find the attackers name. Male bodied people don't lose their greater physical strength when they transition, hence the issues with transwomen in women's sports.

Pre-op (or no-intention-to-have-an-op) males who identify as trans appear to commit sexual offences at six times the rate of non trans identifying males, if current prisons stats are correct. So not really an 'occasional' threat either.

AlisonDonut · 19/01/2023 07:41

I would have thought the process would be as strict in USA as anywhere due to the level of litigation generally.

You'd think right?

I am led to believe that the person who Yeets Teets [takes the breasts off of teenage girls] doesn't have malpractice insurance so if she is sued she will just go bankrupt. I expect her to have put all her money into some offshore account. It's like looking at a cartel operation.

RichardBarrister · 18/01/2023 23:08

endofthelinefinally · 18/01/2023 22:36

I used to run phase 3 clinical trials.
Every trial goes through the ethics committee and every protocol includes a copy of the Nuremberg code. The process of informed consent is rigorous and involves a lot of work.
I cannot for the life of me see how any trials of gender reassignment surgery have even got through any correct processes/ethics committees/proceeded to post trial treatments.
I would have thought the process would be as strict in USA as anywhere due to the level of litigation generally.
Surely there will be lots of law suits eventually?

I think they are starting. There is a mass action brewing against the Tavistock as well I think.

I can’t bear to think how awful it is - even if only some of the medically transitioned people come to regret what they’ve done, the impact on their lives will be forever.

endofthelinefinally · 18/01/2023 22:36

I used to run phase 3 clinical trials.
Every trial goes through the ethics committee and every protocol includes a copy of the Nuremberg code. The process of informed consent is rigorous and involves a lot of work.
I cannot for the life of me see how any trials of gender reassignment surgery have even got through any correct processes/ethics committees/proceeded to post trial treatments.
I would have thought the process would be as strict in USA as anywhere due to the level of litigation generally.
Surely there will be lots of law suits eventually?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 18/01/2023 22:13

We need to stop thinking about male and female hormones - women have testosterone, too. It's the levels that are dangerous.

Yes, good point; but I've been taking this as a given. Just like men have 'breasts' as well, but completely different from women's (and usually very much smaller).

TheKeatingFive · 18/01/2023 22:08

Possibly this has been posted already. But, grim.

thepostmillennial.com/canada-opens-its-first-vaginoplasty-post-op-clinic-to-deal-with-high-rate-of-complications

Xiaoxiong · 18/01/2023 21:39

@JusteanBiscuits that is great, I think the area of informed consent needs a tonne more research!! A few minutes on that Reddit de trans sub throws up so many like this: www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/t267iu/myconsentwasnotinformed/

@AlisonDonut yes it's shocking isn't it. An affirmation-first approach is basically the opposite of what this therapy is supposed to do - an open ended exploration of what and why the person feels the way they do. Affirmation-first predetermines the only acceptable outcome from the start of the process. It's similar to gay conversion "therapy" where the only accepted outcome is the patient desisting from being gay.

SmallMexicanChihuahua · 18/01/2023 19:59

OneMorePlant · 17/01/2023 16:28

I've had common treatments and surgeries for actual serious health issues, and I did not even get correct information from my surgeons or doctors from all the side effects or long term issues I could experience.

So I absolutely believe these people are not informed correctly.

Absolutely, same here. They are supposed to warn you of any potential risks but the reality is very different.

RichardBarrister · 18/01/2023 18:52

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 18/01/2023 18:48

We need to stop thinking about male and female hormones - women have testosterone, too. It's the levels that are dangerous.

True. I found it very odd that the sporting bodies set a testosterone limit for male born trans people participating in women’s sport that is still several times higher then the normal level for women at 5 nmols/l

If a woman had that level of testosterone in her blood she is likely to be tested for doping.

Johnduttonsbuttocks · 18/01/2023 18:48

We need to stop thinking about male and female hormones - women have testosterone, too. It's the levels that are dangerous.

ArabellaScott · 18/01/2023 17:45

This study is sad reading, but very pertinent.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

'Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.'

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 18/01/2023 17:34

I remember reading many years ago that F2M surgery can shorten your life by 10 years. I don't know if that is still the case, but it struck me then that people who go through with surgery must really believe they need it, to accept such a risk.

I can well believe that - considering that actual male men, whose bodies and hormones etc. are naturally supposed to be there - still die quite a few years younger than women on average. How much more of an impact on lifespan will those male hormones have on somebody who was never meant to have them in the first place?

Chersfrozenface · 18/01/2023 15:16

JusteanBiscuits · 18/01/2023 15:01

Yes, I do put my money where my mouth is as it were. My understanding, as things stand, is that it will not outlaw providing the risks of both medication and surgery.

What are YOU doing outside of posting on an internet forum.

Emailing and writing to MPs, signing petitions, contributing to relevant crowdfunders, as it happens.

The words "my understanding" and "as things stand" don't exactly suggest any cast-iron guarantee.