Complications from trans surgery!

Anyone who has been following this over the last couple of years knows about this. A penis is “made” from skin and muscle on the arms. A “vagina” is an inverted penis/colon which is why hair ends up inside. Erections are pumped up. Look up glimmer. Look on the feminist forum. It’s horrific.

Well, obviously. But I'm trying to picture what on earth is created on a man and where their urethra ends up. You know, given that they dont have labia. So what is at risk of healing up exactly

If you're talking about the creation of a 'peen-ish' for transmen. The surgeon flays skin and muscle from the patient's forearm or thigh to use to create the fake organ. I assume some of the skin is used to line the inside to extend the urethra. The hair might be existing body hair but excess testosterone can make a woman's body hairier. I suspect that may contribute to the problem even if the skin affected has been transplanted.

These surgeries are bad enough for men, they're appalling for boys and horrific for girls.

Yes, but also cross-dressing (counted a 'trans' by Stonewall) is a sexual fetish and they like their penises.

Women?
I’m astonished that anyone can believe the narrative that surgery can replicate the opposite sex organs.

Hopefully very soon we will stop telling people they can change sex.

No, women and men both have testosterone but in different quantities. T creates some of the secondary sex characteristics associated with being male - beard growth, larger clitoris, deeper voice...

The effects of women taking testosterone are irreversible, as are mastectomies.

Doctors do not properly inform their patients of the full implications of all of these interventions. It's medical malpractice.

I cannot believe what I’ve just read and that this is sold as a viable surgical procedure? Sounds utterly barbaric for those patients. How could it meet any surgical standards given the aftercare required and side effects. As others have said, sounds like a malpractice timebomb.

I believe they do something to invert the penis and make it a neo-vagina. I guess the skin of the penis acts as a lining (although I understand sometimes colon tissue is used).

There is an issue when it comes to performing surgeries on trans people who have been on puberty blockers, as they do not have adult-sized genitalia and so there is not enough 'raw' material to invert. This is something that affected both Jackie Green, Susie Green's daughter and Jazz Jennings (reality show star).

Detransitioner Ritchie Herron has written movingly about the problems he suffered following his surgery.

If you have the money you pay for laser hair removal pre op by hair removal is not part of the NHS package as far as I know.

I agree but it's not that simple because then you have the 'no penises in women's changerooms' argument - which is also completely valid. If trans doesn't end up being a trend that burns itself out, there will have to be some real investment in safe third or neutral spaces.

How can you give informed consent if there is such limited follow up data on complications?

I can give you a list of reasons why my sibling can not have made an informed decision.

Its fucking frightening.

Who picks up the pieces of those who sold their snake oil and encouraged vulnerable people to go through this?

Women don't urinate through their vaginas.

They will not be able to have children. Males will no longer have testicles and females won’t have vaginas after surgery.

A mental health issue isn't fixed by surgery. That's what a lobotomy was - a surgical "solution" to a mental health problem.

They don't. Many of the girls getting mastectomies think it's reversible.

There are so many videos on YouTube from detransitioners who were poorly informed before surgery and have to have multiple revisions. I saw one from a TW the other day where the urethra healed over and because general urologists don't have anything to do with "SRS" it was difficult for the TW to get treatment. They had to have a catheter through the abdomen for 3 months before a revision cold be done and then they had to dilate the urethra everyday for a year to stop it happening again.

It's even worse when they put children on puberty blockers, there isn't enough "material" to work with so the surgeon's have to resort to even more brutal methods which have a higher complication rate. A certain reality TV personality needed 3 revisions after their SRS but they will still never have sexual function and they are sterile, placed on puberty blockers before the had fertility to preserve.

Progress, yay!

I don't think even Mary Shelley could have dreamt this up.

It's not keeping the wound open though, it will be skin that has been used to create the vagina but it won't be a raw wound inside.

What happens if they let it close? What is inside? There must be some kind of lining- it can't just be an open wound into their insides? Could they just get the "lining" taken out and let it heal ? But then how do they urinate? So many questions

Yes, and if done on the NHS we are all paying for it. Drugs companies selling hormones and puberty blockers into the NHS to kids who should be having mental health support are making money from us, subsidised by all taxpayers, and if someone is put on blockers and then on hormones for life then that's a tidy sum of annual recurring revenue for them. Cha-ching!

It's utterly appalling. I feel in many ways it's the ultimate expression of capitalism - choose your identity, demand medical services to give your body the makeover you believe aligns with your image and identity, and become a lifelong patient (read: Profit centre) for pharma companies. Fight Club has a monologue at the beginning that was talking about buying a lifestyle to become a particular identity, this is not far off.

Yes and I don’t blame them. The surgery is excruciating and risky.

If you’re at the point where you feel the need to lob off healthy body parts then it’s not surgery you need, it’s effective and acute psychiatric help

Ffs 🙄

Potentially, in some countries such as Canada, trying to deter a child who is claiming to be trans would be called conversion therapy. You could be fined, even jailed and you might lose custody of your child. This type of legislation is being pushed for in Scotland.