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Complications from trans surgery!

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Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 20:20

I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

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DeeplyMovingExperience · 16/01/2023 22:20

You can't "make" a vagina. Just like you can't "make" a penis. These aren't car parts off a production line.

GreenSunfish · 16/01/2023 22:20

Any health professionals going along with this and not whistleblowing this at the very least are complicit in a medical scandal. You can’t solve feelings/body dysmorphia through irreversible surgeries. When a persons penis is sliced open and inverted to form a front hole (it is never a vagina) I’m surprised that only 33.8% have sexual difficulties. These surgeries are wrong on every level. Adults should have bodily autonomy but surgeons should not be doing these surgeries. Everyone knows surgery is not 100% perfect and if you think about the complexities of genitals it is obvious you can’t make them out of arm skin (fake penis) or colon (fake vaginas). These surgeons should be in jail for malpractice not just sued!!

EdgeOfACoin · 16/01/2023 22:19

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 16/01/2023 22:12

Why was my comment deleted?!

Did you use the acronym TiM or refer to autogynephelia? TiM is banned - you'll need to say transwoman or mtf transitioner. Same principle applies with TiF.

Motorina · 16/01/2023 22:17

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:12

Sorry I meant men have nipples so why remove them??

When you do the mastectomy the nipples, if left, would end up in the wrong place. So to retain them, you need to do a further procedure to remove the nipple, cut a hole in the chest skin, and reposition it.

That lengthens surgical time and, in the US at least, increases cost.

In addition, some of the people going through this surgery prefer the featureless chest look.

Finally, in some cases the nipple will fail to take in their new position and so will be lost.

TheKeatingFive · 16/01/2023 22:15

This is going to be the absolute mother of all medical scandals.

But nothing other than total affirmation was acceptable. Any questioning voices were shouted down as bigots.

I still can't fathom how we got to this place.

HermioneKipper · 16/01/2023 22:15

I have no idea how this is legal.

Its a scandal waiting to happen.

You wouldn’t chop off a healthy leg of someone who has mental health issues and claimed it was broken when it wasn’t.

Xiaoxiong · 16/01/2023 22:14

Binders are like corsets that hold breasts down. Imagine a sports bra but far tighter, so tight that girls have been known to pass out, not be able to draw breath or sing, and can permanently damage breasts and rib cages. They are touted as "safer than bandaging" and that they are no worse than a sports bra but I never heard of a sports bra that can fracture your ribs.

I have seen videos of detransitioned women saying that wearing binders prevented them from singing or performing in drama productions as they couldn't breathe properly and the effect persisted after they stopped wearing the binders. The binder literally stole their voices.

See: www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/breast-binding-self-harm-or-gender-care/

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 16/01/2023 22:12

Why was my comment deleted?!

MiaMoor · 16/01/2023 22:12

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:09

I saw a Tesco blue token fundraiser for them. That's ok?

If you’re ok with teen girls limiting how much they can exercise because they can’t breathe, or causing damage that they can’t possibly consent to (akin to breast ironing), then yeah, it’s great.

Most people don’t question it, they go along with it because a) they’re progressive, b) all organisations involved in teen MH support follow an affirmation model of care.

RichardBarrister · 16/01/2023 22:12

It is heartbreaking. Transitioners who experience harm and complications say that they found information very hard to find and risks are often waved away by practitioners.

There are growing numbers of accounts from young men who felt persuaded by others that they were trans yet have now realised that they were just non conforming gay men. But now they are men without penises and with altered bodies and permanently harmed health.

One has described the spongy penile tissue that remains after his operation which still engorges in the same way and makes a ‘stump’ (his description).

Female transitioners also experience nerve damage from their double mastectomies that in some cases feel like phantom nipple pinching - constantly. Severe pain while having sex due to organ atrophy from taking testosterone seems to be a known side effect. This leads to hysterectomy and other surgeries to help deal with the pain.

I’m sure there are better ways for people to become comfortable in their bodies especially as hormone treatment and surgery seems so hit and miss and in many cases causes worse mental health and worse physical health.

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:12

Sorry I meant men have nipples so why remove them??

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EdgeOfACoin · 16/01/2023 22:11

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:07

A binder?

To bind down the breasts to make the wearer look flat chested. In many cases it damages and deforms the breast tissue.

Some compare it to a sports bra, but this is a gross understatement.

IcakethereforeIam · 16/01/2023 22:11

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 21:51

How can a mastectomy be reversible? Dot hey still keep nipples and get implants?

I believe, at least in the state where this has to be paid for, some of the girls having elective mastectomy opt to have their nipples removed. Sometimes because it's cheaper, sometimes for ideological reasons (it triggers dysphoria or something) and sometimes they ( and I can't believe I'm typing this) they fall off because they don't heal correctly when they're repositioned. I think a facsimile can be tattooed on instead.

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:11

Men have nipples???

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Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:09

I saw a Tesco blue token fundraiser for them. That's ok?

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MiaMoor · 16/01/2023 22:09

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:07

A binder?

Flattens the breasts.

Please someone correct me if I’m wrong, but binders cause problems (from pain, breathing difficulties, to permanent breast damage) in 93% of those who wear them.

FOJN · 16/01/2023 22:08

I'm not sure how "top" surgery works in the UK but you have to pay extra to have nipples grafted back on after a mastectomy in the US so many young females chose not to and end up with a nipple free "masculanised chest". Even if the nipples are preserved they may not "take" and have to be removed and in some cases I've read about they just fall off. Google yeet the teet for the full horror of one surgeon who specialises in this surgery.

Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:07

A binder?

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Ihatedonuts · 16/01/2023 22:07

I understand you have been following this. But some of us are new to this and we don't always understand the physical consequences

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EdgeOfACoin · 16/01/2023 22:05

The practice of creating a neo-vagina from a penis is a very brutal, experimental form of surgery. (Choosing words carefully to try to avoid a deletion).

However, the practice of trying to create a neo-penis for a person born female is even more experimental and brutal. Grafts must be taken from the forearm to create such an appendage.

Fortunately, it is very rare for female-to-male transitioner to undergo such surgery.

If you think I am exaggerating, there are plenty of YouTube videos of ftm transitioners detailing their experiences.

MiaMoor · 16/01/2023 22:05

MrsPutnamNaomiDarling · 16/01/2023 21:42

This must be why a lot of trans women keep their penises, surely?

A lot (considering Stonewall’s expansion of the trans umbrella to include fetishists) retain their penis because they still use it.

Autogynephilia (AGP) is a fetish where the man is turned on by seeing himself as a woman, being validated as a woman, and for many being humiliated. It’s estimated that these men make up the biggest proportion of TW, and their presence on SM and giveaway male tendencies give it away, even if it sometimes takes a while to clock onto it.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 16/01/2023 22:04

Bawdrip · 16/01/2023 22:01

Well, obviously. But I'm trying to picture what on earth is created on a man and where their urethra ends up. You know, given that they dont have labia. So what is at risk of healing up exactly

This is a computer-generated animation that shows the surgical process.
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Xiaoxiong · 16/01/2023 22:03

@Ihatedonuts if they want to have children later they can't (if they've had the euphemistically named "bottom surgery"). These surgeries result in sterilisation if gonads are removed - it's permanent.

I don't think it's possible at a young age to make informed consent to sterilisation. It's completely unethical in my opinion to irreversibly sterilise a healthy human, male or female, until they are older and have more life experience. And even with that safeguard, look how many men try and get vasectomies reversed - showing that people do change their minds!

clutchingatpearls · 16/01/2023 22:02

IcakethereforeIam · 16/01/2023 21:43

Potentially, in some countries such as Canada, trying to deter a child who is claiming to be trans would be called conversion therapy. You could be fined, even jailed and you might lose custody of your child. This type of legislation is being pushed for in Scotland.

This bears emphasis.

fruitbrewhaha · 16/01/2023 22:02

Hopesakiller · 16/01/2023 21:18

Seems like an expectation Vs reality situation. They want a porn stars vagina and end up with a surgically created orifice that behaves in some ways similar to your average woman's vagina. As a born female I have at times experienced many of the complaints on that list

No, they do not end up with anything resembling a real vagina.

If you’re experiencing anything from that list you should see your gp.

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