Complications from trans surgery!

The op was specifically asking post surgery though.

“Bottom surgery” / “top surgery”: let’s call a spade a spade here, please.

Scott Newgent (ftm trans) is on FB and speaks about the complications that she has suffered, that nearly killed her.

Who on earth would think there was no risk of these kind of problems after bottom surgery?? Surely it's obvious? And these risks should be explained before surgery anyway??

Around 2016 I watched a series of YT videos made by a male detransitioner - he told his story in 4 videos and in 2 languages. I was lucky to see them as he soon took them down due to harassment. Maybe one day he will put them back up.

Anyway, he was clearly a very intelligent, articulate, thinking, educated man. Yet he totally believed that he could change sex. Gender ideology told him he could change sex, everyone around him & doctors told him he could change sex and this highly intelligent man believed these surgeries & hormones would turn him into a woman. . He describes how he "woke up", thankfully Shortly before his booked irreversible surgery. He was shocked & terrified how this had happened to him. He started detransitioning and accepted he was an effeminate gay man, albeit one in deep shock about how he nearly had these surgeries.

It's a pity the videos have been taken down. He spoke very eloquently about what he had been through- truly shocking how brain washed he had been & how everyone around him participated in that.

I completely agree, but where do we draw the line? There’s an argument that those who have more and more cosmetic surgery are influenced by their own poor mental health and SM - yet they are consenting adults, should we be stopping them?

There has to be a point where adults are allowed to make their own decisions, as long as they are fully informed of the risks.
At the same time no one should be telling the lie to any trans person that they’ll literally change sex (have seen this many times), telling vulnerable children that anyone questioning their trans status hates them and wants them dead (looking at you, Mermaids) is despicable, allowing men to legally become women should never have been allowed, using children (most autistic/neglected/abused) as pawns and damaging them along the way should never have been allowed.

India Willoughby recently pointed out that nobody knows what it feels like to be trans - well equally, women have been pointing out for years that no one can know what it feels like to be a woman. No man can live as a woman without resorting to regressive stereotypes that I thought we’d left well behind, yet here we are, gender stereotypes are here and bigger than ever, and hurting our children and limiting their freedom of expression - girls? you want short hair? Are you sure you’re not a boy?

Could be. But here's a thing to consider. 20-30% of women who have mastectomies for breast cancer suffer with Post-Mastectomy Pain Syndrome afterward, according to the American Cancer Society. Do 20-30% of American breast cancer patients go abroad for cancer treatment? I don't think so.

Post-mastectomy pain is an integral risk of mastectomies, because surgery intrinsically risks nerve damage. It may be that mastectomies for cancer are higher risk for nerve damage than elective cosmetic double mastectomies, but there is no logical reason why elective double mastectomies would be zero risk at all. Especially as I know explicitly of female transitioners who have post-mastectomy pain syndrome.

www.healthline.com/health/breast-cancer/postmastectomy-pain-syndrome

It depends what you mean by abroad. Thailand seems to have quite a lot of expertise in these surgeries so many people go there. They tightened up their regulations a few years ago after a mum took her 16 yr old for the penile inversion/vaginoplasty- it is now strictly over 18s.

Many Children’s Hospitals in America now market their surgeries to minors - mainly the double mastectomy (I think penile inversion/vaginoplasty is limited to 17/18 yr olds) - which in some states is fine as young as 12 and 13. Some of these hospitals do not offer any counselling or therapy they will just recommend puberty blockers and surgery, often at the first appt for gender confused children.

One surgeon in the US markets her services to minors using groovy Tiktok videos, dancing around talking about ‘yeeting the teets’ and also operates on morbidly obese patients that have been refused surgery elsewhere.

One patient went public recently as she nearly died from sepsis and complications (6 inches of necrotic tissue and a gaping hole) due to this doctors actions and lack of follow up support - the doctor was very flippant when she requested advice. This doctor appears to have performed surgery on thousands of young people.

To save money some go for the nipple free option where they end up with a large scar across their entire chest. As their bodies were still growing we have seen instances of this scar stretching vertically and creating an inch wide jagged line across the chest.

This is happening to teenage girls who are too young to get a tattoo, drink or have sex.

Yes but I feel research needs to be done into those that experience pain and problems and also the risks highlighted clearly. More study is needed.

Is the issue not that all those who reported problems were so desperate for surgery they went abroad to places where the procedures aren't as good??

That article is very clearly not about all trans people after surgery. It's about those that had problems. It even states it may be biased. So it's half of the people who reported symptoms had pain. There could have been 100s who reported no issues at all.

People assume that transwomen are poor tortured souls who can only feel better by submitting themselves to this horrible body mutilation. It's natural to feel some sympathy for anyone in that situation- although they need third space provision, not access to women's spaces. However, the vast majority, including those with (or intending to get) a Gender Recognition Certificate, do not. Now that the Scottish government has tried to pass a law where, in effect, you can pick a GRC up for a fiver from the post office, it is all coming out about how most transwomen have no intention of getting this difficult surgery but still want all the access.
Google autogynophillia if you are wondering why.

When a trans Hollywood celebrity detransitions makes a big stink about it and the media is forced to stop tip toeing around the issue.

It's interesting to see the difference in information between a web search for "mastectomy side-effects" and variations thereon, compared to the results for "top surgery side-effects".

It's just so fucking heartbreaking. I don't believe in natal cross sex identities ("born trans") though I do believe a very small number of people, far fewer than currently identify as trans, have life experiences that take them to a place where they are genuinely happier living as/being treated as the opposite sex.

But even though I don't believe it's real, I still hope every single one of these people lives their live in the firm belief that they were genuinely, physically transgender and the treatment they had was necessary, because I would not wish for anyone to spend their lives knowing they chose this when there was no need.

Yep. Sounds about right. But they're too busy burying their heads in reddit subs getting fed lies about how great it is and if fixes everything! Nothing can go wrong and when it does is your fault for not researching enough. 😂 because you know doing research I guess prevents you from a life time of suffering? It's all so predatory and sinister.

Never usually into psycho babble but agreed with everything JP said in the interview. Especially the most people are miserable for a few years in adolescence! Everyone is finding a persona, wants to belong. It used to be and still is Skinhead, Teddy Boy, Goth, Instagram queen etc. Many teenagers feel misunderstood and 'other', they almost all seek a clan.
Social media has upped the stakes.
Teenagers play around with personas.
Think it's criminal that life changing hormones are offered when there really are so many different options to express gender which is fluid. Everyone has male/ female traits and always has done.

I know a surgeon and he confided in me that the surgeons who do these operations they are the ones you definetely don't want. The good surgeons become heart surgeons and brain surgeons. It's where the prestige is also. The other good surgeons do general or have their own specialisations. The sex surgeries are high risk for complications and very experimental. The doctors that have other options don't want to touch these with a ten foot pole. So these poor people get the last of the class doctors for such insane operations.

I am originally Belgian and in Belgium a woman who wanted to change sex to a man had the operations. There was one complication after another and the tissue in the crotch area started to necrotise and die off. The doctors had to cut a lot away and she ended up not being able to urinate and in immense pain and applied for euthanasia.

These hormones and surgeries are sold to young kids and mentally vulnerable people like its not that big of a deal but they are. So many peoples lives are destroyed because of it. Even if you are pro trans, surely you must see that there needs to be better information and regulation regarding these.

Very moved by the Chloe interview. Excellently done by JP.
I think the big problem for me is children taking hormones to change puberty. How can a child that young give informed consent? Then hormones change cognition to the point where its a slippery slope to other poor decisions.
Awful

Thank you so much for this thread. I have read it from beginning to end. I confess I haven't understood all of it, it's somewhat like learning a new language with all the acronyms and terminology. I hope it remains an active thread, and also hope it remains in aibu.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll " I can't help wondering if this is deliberately done to minimise what is actually being done and to give the patient a wholly unrealistic idea and grossly false expectations. "

It must be! It's the only explanation for referring to a double mastectomy as just plain old ' top surgery ' , as if it's nothing at all, certainly not the major surgery, usually only performed to treat or prevent cancer that it actually is!
That makes me so angry!

Very sorry to hear about your friends suffering and your loss. I feel thee must be another, better way.

Trans women who have had bottom surgery don't have vaginal dryness because they don't have vaginas. They have surgically created holes that are essentially wounds they have to keep reopening through dilation as the body attempt to heal and close these wounds. It's barbaric.

Link to an article about something I mentioned upthread, the ban on 'conversion therapy' that Scotland* want to bring in, what is considered to be conversion, the penalties and the consequences

www.scottishlegal.com/articles/kc-finds-scottish-governments-conversion-therapy-proposals-draconian

*SNP and unhinged allies

Me and you both @FOJN