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UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR

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IwantToRetire · 16/01/2023 17:44

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64288757

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LexMitior · 16/01/2023 23:38

I cannot believe that people vote for such numpties. I know that Westminster has its range of shysters and spivs but they are usually classed with brains.

The SNP are either so partial that they have given up legislating properly, or they are very very stupid. I assume it's the first. They will lose any JR they bring. It must be tiring being the Lord Advocate for NS.

BlessedKali · 16/01/2023 23:32

This is absolutely fantastic... SO MUCH SUNLIGHT IS COMING. Finally everyone is going to be talking about this issue. I wonder how the bbc will cover it.. I can't imagine them undermining Westminster too much, which means they will have to report on the issues around letting men pretend to be women... And then everyone will know what an absolute shit show it is. The trans train is about to derail.

Helleofabore · 16/01/2023 23:30

Anyway, here is to months of discussion. Months of debates. Months of sunlight.

brilliant stuff.

I cannot believe that they think that because they wrote ‘this bill will not impact the EA’ that they fully believe it won’t ? Just saying it doesn’t make it true. How very bizarre.

RhannionKPSS · 16/01/2023 23:21

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:13

"the Scottish government is likely to mount a legal challenge in response."

There's still a chance...

Anyway it would appear most gender-criticals are the older generation. Not to worry, just give it another couple of decades and you will find most of society will be LGBT+ supportive.

Even if it doesn't pass this time, it will in the not-too-distant future :)

Sorry, not sorry to burst your wee bubble but it won’t pass.
Young people are growing out of this fad and one day will look back and go “ WTF was I thinking? “
Women aren’t going anywhere, we will carry on just as we have been but just for today we can be glad & feel vindicated. Women Won’t Wheesht 💚🤍💜💪

Helleofabore · 16/01/2023 23:16

Waitwhat23 · 16/01/2023 20:26

Oh aye, she's claiming she doesn't know what sex she is. Because she's not had her chromosomes tested.

She's 43 years old and apparently doesn't know what sex she is.

It's fucking gobsmacking.

Fuck!! she actually came out and said that she wants to explore very young children to have official capacity to change ‘sex.

She is very dangerous.

StatisticallyChallenged · 16/01/2023 23:10

Well this will be interesting. I think this was always Sturgeon's plan, to force a stand off so she can say the will of the Scottish peoplebis being suppressed, etc.

Question is whether this is bad enough legislation to make enough indy supporters not vote SNP. Because that is ultimately what is needed or this won't stop - it'll just come post referendum. And on the face of it, it's a great topic, plays right in to her liberal lefty Scottish utopia.

A huge amount hinges on how much of the reality of this bill can be made public and really openly discussed.

Mollyollydolly · 16/01/2023 23:08

That Maggie Chapman interview ..
I might be a bit hacked off with Iain Dale, but Tom Swarbrick can go to the top of the LBC class!
Absolutely unhinged.

GreenSunfish · 16/01/2023 22:47

Datun · 16/01/2023 22:28

Maggie Chapman talking about a whole group she's calling 'transpeople', and why we have to listen to them, when she's just approved legislation that removes any meaningful criteria for being a 'transperson.'

Who is she actually talking about? random people who fill out a form send off a
fee??

It's really quite hard to listen to such idiocy. And frightening that anyone like that has even the smallest power.

Maggie Chapman is not the sharpest tool in the box and doesn’t care about women or girls. I totally agree with you, it is very scary that people like her hold any power over us!!

Pearfacebanana · 16/01/2023 22:40

Alister Jack for PM.

Never heard of him before but I already like him.

GreenSunfish · 16/01/2023 22:40

How great is that 🥳 After our MSP’s voting to allow sex offenders to self-ID as women - NS will be spitting chips!!

Bejazzled · 16/01/2023 22:32

I can’t put into words how delighted I am by this, although of course dreading how Sturgeon and her band will try and twist it to her benefit.
Scotland will never heal while she is FM.

RocketIceLollie · 16/01/2023 22:32

Can't help but feel Sturgeon is using this issue as a politics game to get the youth on her side as a way of to demonstrating to the youth that Westminster are controlling and interfering....I think the UK government are actually right on this one.

Datun · 16/01/2023 22:28

Maggie Chapman talking about a whole group she's calling 'transpeople', and why we have to listen to them, when she's just approved legislation that removes any meaningful criteria for being a 'transperson.'

Who is she actually talking about? random people who fill out a form send off a
fee??

It's really quite hard to listen to such idiocy. And frightening that anyone like that has even the smallest power.

Mollyollydolly · 16/01/2023 22:26

That new LGBT correspondent (sorry forgot her name) is a bit more nuanced than Ben Hunter. She at least interviewed For Women Scotland.
Iain Dale just replied to me on twitter, said no Scottish feminists rang up ..

Plbrookes · 16/01/2023 22:23

KatMcBundleFace · 16/01/2023 22:20

Watching BBC1
Apparently the census shows 96,000 transmen and transwomen. Yes but again BEEB pretty disingenuous given the total figure was nearly 500k identifying as "trans"

Literally transphobia to suggest only transmen and transwomen are trans.

Is 260K 'nearly 500K' nowadays? I lose track ...

KatMcBundleFace · 16/01/2023 22:20

Watching BBC1
Apparently the census shows 96,000 transmen and transwomen. Yes but again BEEB pretty disingenuous given the total figure was nearly 500k identifying as "trans"

Literally transphobia to suggest only transmen and transwomen are trans.

Baldieheid · 16/01/2023 22:01

Goodness, Maggie Chapman is something, isn't she? Incoherent, babbling, foolish and frankly too stupid to be trusted with a toaster, never mind a govt position.

That was a BRILLIANT interview!

She looked like a startled goose when challenged, and couldn't form a coherent sentence, never mind argue a point.

How the hell did she get into govt? Who is she blackmailing?

Mollyollydolly · 16/01/2023 21:55

I will thank you. Interesting all the trans people who rang up Iain Dale disagree with the Scottish legislation.

titchy · 16/01/2023 21:54

purpledalmation · 16/01/2023 21:48

Yes!! Grist to Nicola's mill though. I wonder if it was the intention?

Yes. That was the sole point.

It's categorically NOT about trans people.

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 21:51

Ach, link:

ArabellaScott · 16/01/2023 21:51

Mollyollydolly · 16/01/2023 21:42

Listening to Iain Dale on LBC and feeling a bit dispirited. No focus whatsoever on women's rights and how many Scottish women feel. Calls from trans people and talking about the implications for independence, twenty minutes left and I'm hoping some amazing Scottish woman is going to get through and explain it all .. women really are fucking invisible.

Oh, do listen to this LBC interview for a cheering performance from Maggie Chapman. Smile

purpledalmation · 16/01/2023 21:48

Yes!! Grist to Nicola's mill though. I wonder if it was the intention?

MichaelFabricantWig · 16/01/2023 21:47

Great news, for now at least, but I see it getting ugly

Mollyollydolly · 16/01/2023 21:42

Listening to Iain Dale on LBC and feeling a bit dispirited. No focus whatsoever on women's rights and how many Scottish women feel. Calls from trans people and talking about the implications for independence, twenty minutes left and I'm hoping some amazing Scottish woman is going to get through and explain it all .. women really are fucking invisible.

bellinisurge · 16/01/2023 21:39

What the UK government could have done short of invoking this bit of the Scotland Act, is to get all the relevant departments (Home Office, MoJ, Education, Health, DCMS &whoever) to issue formal guidance on what it expects organisations to do to protect single sex spaces and to avoid recognising a Scottish GRC if it isn't accompanied by a UK one). And let the GoodLawProject or whoever take it to Judicial Review - and hope for a positive outcome.
But it's not enough to flush this turd away.