UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR

This is your own misrepresentation of what was posted. And you seem to have taken any opportunity to display your usual polarised thinking.

By the way, your repeated posting of that jpeg image does not make it any truer than the first time it was posted.

Considering a recent court judgement in Scotland made clear that males with a GRC can be considered as female, why is any government willing to allow a bill that puts that further into ambiguity. Or do you also think some magic words on a bill stating that the EA would not be impacted mean that the EA would not be impacted. Just like people were assured all those years ago that no males would consider themselves ‘female’ - Ie consider they have miraculously changed sex when we know that is impossible.

And specifically into the non consenting women's spaces.

Exactly. You would think they would show some respect to women who feel uncomfortable and don't want them in there. But no. Male privilege.

And specifically into the non consenting women's spaces.

Offer them a mixed sex women's space with the women delighted to be there with them and those women won't do.

It infuriates me that no one is saying- why are these men so desperate to get into women’s spaces?

If these men who claim to be women had any nous they would appreciate that their male bodies aren’t welcome in single sex spaces.

It isn’t just about creating the gateway to any old men getting into female spaces. I feel even the most ‘genuine’ Trans person should ‘get’ that women don’t need the hassle in changing rooms, care, etc etc .

So men who believe themselves to be women want to be identified as women, while none can define what a woman is?

Exactly.

So women should have their spaces invaded to protect men who think they are women from other violent men?

It's bonkers.

To repeat. I am not in any way implying "trans people are setting out to be sex offenders". I am saying that this legislation provides the means for sex offenders to gain access to womens spaces like prisons, changing rooms, toilets, rape support groups etc etc, simply by saying they have lived as a woman .

How exactly does a man live like a woman?

Sturgeon seems to have chosen her hill to die on.

I was listening to her today talking of the Westminster government being "undemocratic"
But there is nothing democratic about this bill.
I don't believe this bill is representative of scottish people, there was no public vote or referendum. I don't believe it represents the views of most scottish people. They didn't have a say.

As usual you don't answer. The last couple of posters have answered your automatic meaningless post, but please can you answer (you have never been able to provide an answer to this) exactly how one lives as a woman.

I am being as clear as I can. It's a simple question and I'm genuinely interested in your answer. A specific answer to that specific question.

How does one live as a woman?

Your statement also stinks of transphobia by heavily implying that transpeople are somehow setting out to become sex offenders, when this isn't based on evidence even if you look at other countries where transpeople have more rights than in Britain.

You've got this back to front, rather like you've got public opinion back to front. The issue is not trans people setting out to become sex offenders, but sex offenders using self-ID to more easily access women's and girls' spaces. Whether they are "genuinely" trans, whatever exactly that means, the practical effect appears to be trans-identifying males being at least equally or quite possibly more likely than other males to be imprisoned sex offenders.

This is not rocket science.

It is impossible to deny the stats from the census which show clearly that male people with TQ+ identities not only can be sex offenders but are heavily over represented in the prison population.

Those people identifying into women's spaces is a very serious issue. Those who wish to name call people for caring more about the women's rights than those of a male sex offender can crack on.

And even those male people with TQ+ identities who are perfectly safe are still removing women's privacy, dignity, equality of access and inclusion by insisting on their right to be in female spaces regardless of impact on female people. I expect equality of consideration of need, inclusion, access and respect for feelings.

Male people should not have sex based privilege in law over biologically female born people and that is one of the key reasons for this bill being blocked. Rightfully.

Ha, my latest username, very apt. Good news wims, I'm on me holibobs so this is the first I've heard.

Very happy today.

Your statement also stinks of transphobia by heavily implying that transpeople are somehow setting out to become sex offenders, when this isn't based on evidence even if you look at other countries where transpeople have more rights than in Britain.

This just stirs up fear and hatred which can result in transpeople who are just trying to live their lives becoming victims of violence and hate crimes.

This is nothing to do with the proposed reforms.

Transpeople have always been able to access facilities they identify as by law, and as for prisons that's determined on a case by case basis by prisons.

It was published in February 2022

'Somewhat support', which is lukewarm at best, is doing a lot of heavy lifting. I suspect those respondents wanted to sound like the were being kind. If they jumped ship, having educated themselves, then the two surveys align fairly closely.

For anyone who hasn't seen it -

thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

I can start a separate thread if people feel it's a derailment but as @MargaritaPie only ever answers selected questions, I would like to ask while you are here.

Do you think it's acceptable that under self ID, men like David Carrick is allowed to be housed in a womens prison? Is it acceptable that he, and all the other abusers and rapists are allowed to access womens toilets and changing rooms especially where women and young girls are alone and vulnerable? Because THIS is the reality of self ID.
David Carrick would also be allowed to sit in a support group for women who have been raped. How the fuck can you justify this?

Of course, all he needs to do is "live as a woman" for three months.
I've asked you this repeatedly and you are unable to answer - what does living as a woman" entail - how exactly do you "live as a woman"?

What month?

And oh, look. The results of the call for views short survey -

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/committees/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee/gender-recognition-bill/equalities-committee-summary-of-short-survey-grr-bill-responses.pdf

"From a few years ago,"

It's from 2022

Instead of Margey's out of date source, conducted before GRR debate commenced, here's the results from a YouGov poll from December 2022.

Unsurprisingly, since more people became aware of the absolute batshittery of the arguments of those supporting the bill, their opinions on the matter have changed significantly. Strange that.

Margey also doesn't mention that there was a considerable drop in support between the first and second public consultation and the subsequent call for views showed, in fact, a clear majority against the bill.

And that was before our politicians voted down amendments to restrict sex offenders ability to change their gender.

Link for above

www.thenational.scot/news/19931822.bbc-savanta-comres-poll-finds-scots-support-gender-reform---results-depth/

If I hear this most vulnerable group of people (meaning trans) one more time from those willing to sacrifice women and girls on the altar of male wants and wishes I won't be responsible for my actions.

I hear you @GailBlancheViola It's language they've been told to use by Stonewall. I've heard Starmer use it, Harman, many others. Two to three women a week are killed by men, usually their partners and, as I understand it, are most likely to be killed after they have left their abusive partner. So giving the lie to the chorus of, "Oh why doesn't she/didn't she leave him!" Not to mention that the first 12 months of someone's life is the riskiest and the time when they are most likely to be murdered, mostly by parents or close caregivers. Most abuse happens in the family. Much happens in the workplace. And some happens among those who are charged with protecting us, ie the police.

But let's talk about the most vulnerable, most marginalised, group... let's ignore all the women at risk. All the children. All the young men from knife crime. The truth is this so-called Most Marginalised Group ever is, in fact, the most privileged that ever walked the earth!