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Baldieheid · 16/01/2023 18:29

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:27

"I can assure our PIEfaced friend that the public in Scotland knows males from females"

How? By waiting until a couple hundred years after they die and then having an archeologist examine their pelvic bone? oh wait...

www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/13/pelvic-bone-unreliable-in-identifying-gender/

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UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR

Signalbox · 16/01/2023 18:29

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:15

Also I'm going to leave this here, for people who aren't clear on what the reforms actually are

Is it possible that the UK government will have had advice from lawyers who know slightly more about this than whoever wrote your chart?

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:28

TinselAngel · 16/01/2023 18:27

It's a bad day for Marg to be on the MN TRA rota

It's a minor setback, Scotland will get there in time :)

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:27

"I can assure our PIEfaced friend that the public in Scotland knows males from females"

How? By waiting until a couple hundred years after they die and then having an archeologist examine their pelvic bone? oh wait...

www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/13/pelvic-bone-unreliable-in-identifying-gender/

TinselAngel · 16/01/2023 18:27

It's a bad day for Marg to be on the MN TRA rota

bignosebignose · 16/01/2023 18:27

Not what I heard.

John Curtice was probably lying then. Or maybe you just don't know what you're talking about. It's a tricky one.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 16/01/2023 18:27

Starmer would be uncharacteristically 'brave' to support 16 years olds transitioning and explain why sex offenders need to change their legal sex.

Baldieheid · 16/01/2023 18:27

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:23

www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/jasmine-star-mack-violentely-killed-in-washington-dc/

A black trans-women was stabbed to death in the US, believed to be the first transperson to fall victim to a violent hate crime in the US this year.

“Her murder is a reminder that trans lives, and particularly black trans lives, are under increasing threat as a wave of anti-trans legislation continues to sweep the US.
“Anti-trans legislators – and the media that enables them – spread misinformation and influence public attitudes, fuelling hate towards trans people,” Madeleine said.

www.femicidecensus.org/

Anothernameonthewall · 16/01/2023 18:27

IveForgottenAgainFFS · 16/01/2023 17:49

So very happy for us all.

Assume this was intended to be used as an independence statement, do you think it'll fly as a reason or does the fact most Scots were against it make it a mute point.

Possibly an own goal? must be many people thankful for UK gov intervention.

Unlurking to say I couldn't agree more. I think NS is hoping this will be a push for independence, but she's miscalculated the public's view on it. Most are against and its going to harm them co e next election.

SunsetBlue · 16/01/2023 18:25

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:15

Also I'm going to leave this here, for people who aren't clear on what the reforms actually are

Are you pleased that, according to your poster, men have always been able to Use women's toilets and have Access to women's shelters?

Baldieheid · 16/01/2023 18:24

I can assure our PIEfaced friend that the public in Scotland knows males from females and won't be prepared to watch their children be spitroasted on the trans pyre, no matter what is politically at stake. Its possible to have independence AND equality for all, and I mean ALL. We just need politicians of calibre who can resist the pressure from other PIEfaces to twist the constitution to benefit PIEfaces to the detriment of all others.

Don't you want equality for all? Tilts head in girly manner....

rogdmum · 16/01/2023 18:23

I wonder how the Scottish Labour MSPs are feeling right now between this and Starmer expressing concern over the lowering of the age to 16 and not saying he would definitely oppose WM intervention…

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:23

www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/jasmine-star-mack-violentely-killed-in-washington-dc/

A black trans-women was stabbed to death in the US, believed to be the first transperson to fall victim to a violent hate crime in the US this year.

“Her murder is a reminder that trans lives, and particularly black trans lives, are under increasing threat as a wave of anti-trans legislation continues to sweep the US.
“Anti-trans legislators – and the media that enables them – spread misinformation and influence public attitudes, fuelling hate towards trans people,” Madeleine said.

LampLamp · 16/01/2023 18:23

Almost like NS knew this would happen and was hoping to use the Westminister pushback to strengthen her indie campaign.

PronounssheRa · 16/01/2023 18:23

Christ, I hope I have more than a couple of decades left 🤣

OvaHere · 16/01/2023 18:22

Beamur · 16/01/2023 18:02

Yep.
NS will milk this decision for political leverage.
Wouldn't be surprised if Rishi Sunak allows some leeway on the proposed legislation around conversation therapy as an appeasement though..
Good to see the wider debate and discussion though.

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Yes I'm expecting this to come at the cost of pushing through the conversion therapy bill as Stonewall etc. want it to be.

So a battle won but the war rages on.

Pleased for Scottish women though. Much relief all round tonight.

NewYearNewName2023 · 16/01/2023 18:22

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:13

"the Scottish government is likely to mount a legal challenge in response."

There's still a chance...

Anyway it would appear most gender-criticals are the older generation. Not to worry, just give it another couple of decades and you will find most of society will be LGBT+ supportive.

Even if it doesn't pass this time, it will in the not-too-distant future :)

I take it you haven't seen the thread where someone is asking the ages of people that are GC?

Endpress · 16/01/2023 18:21

Pleased. Although recognise it’s probably just an independence ploy.

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:21

LizzieSiddal · 16/01/2023 18:18

Anyway it would appear most gender-criticals are the older generation.

Listening to R4 PM programme just now, the statistician Sir John Curtis was on who said only 30% of Scottish people supported this bill. I’m sure the other 70% are NOT all old.

Not what I heard.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 16/01/2023 18:20

Fantastic news!

Greyhave · 16/01/2023 18:20

Great news!

PronounssheRa · 16/01/2023 18:18

I'm a bit tragic so decided to read the relevant sections of the Scotland act.

This seems like a pretty clear cut example of what section 35 was written for. The Scottish Parliament have passed a law which impacts the EA and therefore has impacts outside of Scotland

I'm sure sturgeon will play it as 'look at the mean English stopping us from implementing our own laws', but could you imagine her reaction if the opposite happened.

LizzieSiddal · 16/01/2023 18:18

Anyway it would appear most gender-criticals are the older generation.

Listening to R4 PM programme just now, the statistician Sir John Curtis was on who said only 30% of Scottish people supported this bill. I’m sure the other 70% are NOT all old.

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:16

"But at the same, the constitutional issues it will explode also worries me. I'm a firm believer in the legal principle of subsidiarity (devolution of power) but at the same time the law is nuts. Arrgh, this fence sitting hurts my head."

Scotland may well find a lot more people will now start supporting independence because of this.

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:15

Also I'm going to leave this here, for people who aren't clear on what the reforms actually are