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UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR

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IwantToRetire · 16/01/2023 17:44

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64288757

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Fladdermus · 16/01/2023 18:46

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:23

www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/jasmine-star-mack-violentely-killed-in-washington-dc/

A black trans-women was stabbed to death in the US, believed to be the first transperson to fall victim to a violent hate crime in the US this year.

“Her murder is a reminder that trans lives, and particularly black trans lives, are under increasing threat as a wave of anti-trans legislation continues to sweep the US.
“Anti-trans legislators – and the media that enables them – spread misinformation and influence public attitudes, fuelling hate towards trans people,” Madeleine said.

It's not a hate crime if a transperson is killed. It's a hate crime if they are BECAUSE they are a transperson. As nobody knows why this person was killed yet you can't claim it's a hate crime. The articles says they were a crack addict living in a really rough area full of other addicts so we need to wait until the facts come out.

SueVineer · 16/01/2023 18:44

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:13

"the Scottish government is likely to mount a legal challenge in response."

There's still a chance...

Anyway it would appear most gender-criticals are the older generation. Not to worry, just give it another couple of decades and you will find most of society will be LGBT+ supportive.

Even if it doesn't pass this time, it will in the not-too-distant future :)

most Scots do support LGB rights and this this ideology is hateful to LGB people as well as women. Evidence shows most Scots young and old don’t support this bill - facts and facts and people should not be permitted to change their official documents to say something that is untrue.

KatMcBundleFace · 16/01/2023 18:44

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:13

"the Scottish government is likely to mount a legal challenge in response."

There's still a chance...

Anyway it would appear most gender-criticals are the older generation. Not to worry, just give it another couple of decades and you will find most of society will be LGBT+ supportive.

Even if it doesn't pass this time, it will in the not-too-distant future :)

Don't worry PIE the future will no doubt also bring a test, so we can see for sure who's souls are in the wrong body. Etc

What happened to that big announcement on tests I wonder. Would be so so helpful.

BettyFilous · 16/01/2023 18:43

Signalbox · 16/01/2023 18:34

When examining a skeleton, Osteoarchaeologists often consider both the physical characteristics of the skeleton, while also considering evidence of the person’s gender identity

Omg! Archaeologists have lost the plot too then?

I recall there have been recent cases of archaeologists having to row back on assumptions about significant burials being male because they were buried with weapons etc and weapons = warrior = man, except the remains were female. Of course any historical woman, fictional or otherwise, who stepped out of the pink sparkly lady container is now being retrospectively transed. These sexists never stop to consider that there have always been exceptional women in many, many walks of life. It simply does not compute in their tiny, blinkered binary world. So much for a spectrum!

HootyMcboob76 · 16/01/2023 18:43

Your article is wrong on a number of accounts, but the line "intersex people make up 2% of the population" is TOTAL BOLLOCKS and puts the rest of the article into question to say the least.

DSD account for only 0.018% of live births.
The 2% stat is wildly exaggerated because TRAs have used it to push their agenda that somehow trans and DSDs are both provable medical conditions and prove a sexual spectrum.

(It doesn't, and one of them is not)

OlleOskiFelle · 16/01/2023 18:42

Right now I'm just relieved, I live in Scotland and don't want any of this misogynistic shit show.

Swissmountains · 16/01/2023 18:41

Well this worked well for NS. The hospitals have years long waiting lists for simple scans - reported today. The schools are grinding to a total halt. People are striking everywhere. She has mismanaged accounts.
Support is bleeding out, she badly, very badly needed a new fight against Westminster to rally the troops and get that hatred back pumping through the veins and the nation, and this is it!

The only small wee fly in the broth is that next to non one in Scotland actually supports this legislation whatsoever - it has zero public support and even within her tightly knitted party there is very vocal opposition that is growing and becoming much more confident.

This is a great day for the women and girls of Scotland.
This is a great day for unity and for the rights of women that for thousands of years have had to tolerate the violence and oppression from men.

SueVineer · 16/01/2023 18:40

maltravers · 16/01/2023 17:56

Surely this will mean that the adverse effect on women is now properly discussed in the mainstream media? I hope so.

The bbc report as usual focused almost entirely on trans identified males needs and demands and didn’t specify womens concerns. We have further to go on this to make our voices heard.

KatMcBundleFace · 16/01/2023 18:40

Measured response from the commentators of Penis News.

1/ Tories are literal fash
2/ yey we are breaking up the Union (they think this cos they operate in their special bubbles and wouldn't know what a normal Scot would think about anything)

UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR
UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR
TinselAngel · 16/01/2023 18:39

It's a minor setback GrinGrinGrinFlowers

IncompleteSenten · 16/01/2023 18:38

Finally! Common sense.

SueVineer · 16/01/2023 18:38

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:23

www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/jasmine-star-mack-violentely-killed-in-washington-dc/

A black trans-women was stabbed to death in the US, believed to be the first transperson to fall victim to a violent hate crime in the US this year.

“Her murder is a reminder that trans lives, and particularly black trans lives, are under increasing threat as a wave of anti-trans legislation continues to sweep the US.
“Anti-trans legislators – and the media that enables them – spread misinformation and influence public attitudes, fuelling hate towards trans people,” Madeleine said.

Roughly four women a week are killed in the uk. That’s actual women not trans identified men. Misogyny is a huge problem and the attitude to this whole debate from so much of the mainstream media shows very plainly how much our society still hates and demeans women.

SharonEllis · 16/01/2023 18:37

Thank you to the magnificent women who have put their head above the parapet and fought this every step of the way.

Aposterhasnoname · 16/01/2023 18:36

Fantastic news

Aspergirl77 · 16/01/2023 18:35

Yeeeeeesssss!!!!!😁

LlynTegid · 16/01/2023 18:35

Pleased but surprised.

My guess at the compromise is a minimum age of 18 and the amendment proposed which would not change the law for those in prison.

IcakethereforeIam · 16/01/2023 18:35

Pink new desperate for clicks!

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:34

"She always looks at bones, not just the pelvic, and goes 'male' or 'female'"

These would be educated guesses. Even if you're an expert and can examine the entire skeleton all you have at best is an educated guess.

from above linked article:
"ATSU assistant professor and biological anthropologist Caroline VanSickle told AFP that professionals often cannot say with any certainty if an individual was male, female or other just by looking at their bones.

“We can offer a fairly educated guess, but even then we sometimes get the answer wrong or end up with inconclusive results,” VanSickle says.

She added there is currently “limited data” on how hormone replacement therapy (HRT) affects bone structure, which makes it even more tricky to define the facts about a centuries-old skeleton.

“We also lack methods to identify intersex individuals, who make up around two per cent of the population,” she added."

SueVineer · 16/01/2023 18:34

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:27

"I can assure our PIEfaced friend that the public in Scotland knows males from females"

How? By waiting until a couple hundred years after they die and then having an archeologist examine their pelvic bone? oh wait...

www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/13/pelvic-bone-unreliable-in-identifying-gender/

Lol at quoting pink news on scientific facts!!!!

Signalbox · 16/01/2023 18:34

When examining a skeleton, Osteoarchaeologists often consider both the physical characteristics of the skeleton, while also considering evidence of the person’s gender identity

Omg! Archaeologists have lost the plot too then?

MorvenOfMalvern · 16/01/2023 18:34

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:13

"the Scottish government is likely to mount a legal challenge in response."

There's still a chance...

Anyway it would appear most gender-criticals are the older generation. Not to worry, just give it another couple of decades and you will find most of society will be LGBT+ supportive.

Even if it doesn't pass this time, it will in the not-too-distant future :)

I know a lot of young people esp girls. None of them are remotely in favour of being made to feel uncomfortable by males in their spaces, none of them want boys in their races/teams/opponents when play and compete in sport. None of them want to be policed over language and be made to feel anxious at all times if they can't remember what pronouns to use for the person who changes them every day...

Age has nothing to do with the ability to recognise the harm gender woo does to women and girls.

SueVineer · 16/01/2023 18:32

I’m an independence supporter but I despise the grr and can’t support the SNP anymore after such blatant misogyny. Im not the only person in this position

Snowshower · 16/01/2023 18:32

I think NS has made a big mistake here. I am in Scotland and GC (and not old either).

I voted yes in the indy ref and have been an SNP and NS supporter in the past. As much as I would love Scotland to be independent, I can not and will not support independence under the current leadership. The GRR is terrible legislation and very unpopular.

Rather than being upset at the "mean" UK Government blocking this, I and I am sure many many others are desperate for the grown ups to step in and sort this mess out.

sanluca · 16/01/2023 18:31

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:27

"I can assure our PIEfaced friend that the public in Scotland knows males from females"

How? By waiting until a couple hundred years after they die and then having an archeologist examine their pelvic bone? oh wait...

www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/13/pelvic-bone-unreliable-in-identifying-gender/

I love the tv show Bones. She always looks at bones, not just the pelvic, and goes 'male' or 'female'. And don't go ' that is a tv show, just fiction', I mean your article was pink news, talking about fiction.....

Anothernameonthewall · 16/01/2023 18:30

MargaritaPie · 16/01/2023 18:13

"the Scottish government is likely to mount a legal challenge in response."

There's still a chance...

Anyway it would appear most gender-criticals are the older generation. Not to worry, just give it another couple of decades and you will find most of society will be LGBT+ supportive.

Even if it doesn't pass this time, it will in the not-too-distant future :)

Nope. Neither of my teen kids nor any of their friends are woke. You're forgetting that they are seeing this at ground zero in scottish schools. They see the kids that are identifying into all the rubbish and see the mess it's making.

As my son said, it's all the attention seeking unpopular kids that identify as non binary.

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