UK Government confirms it will block Scottish GRR

Very glad to see this, while being worried about the repercussions in how SNP/Scottish Govt spins the narrative around it

I'd like to see Sunak etc make a really substantial argument about their decision (not just single sex spaces but taking on the whole thing: biology before "identity"; the huge difference between autistic teenage girls vs the middle aged males transitioning and leading the campaigning - why one policy? Why discuss as a single "trans" issue? Needs far more research; full investigation of Tavistock published and analysed before any major policy changes etc etc). Basically take this opportunity to blow it all apart, please.

Perhaps I'm too cynical, but I think you're giving the government too much credit. I really think this is much more about saving money and legal hassle than it is about listening to women.

@MargaritaPie next aim is to abolish the GRA and strengthen sex based rights in the equality act

This is the best thing I have seen on the news ever. I am so relieved that all the books we have funded; emails sent; letters sent; campaigns funded; petitions signed … are having an effect. Still a long way to go but it’s a start.

While I agree with the sentiment, Scotland is part of the UK

What is actually wonderful new is the light and sunshine this is going to flood over the subject. It will be headlined for months, if not years, assuming NS will actually try and defend this nonsense - and if she does, she will be doing us - and the rest of the world - the greatest favour of all.

It will bring the loss of women's rights and identity onto the stage, the discussion, investigative journalism that will follow will show just how bloody dangerous this is. For so long we have been silenced on this subject, but now oxygen, conversation and debate will flow into the public consciousness. Normal people will understand why people are fighting so hard to be heard, to remain protected by the recognition of our sex - and for some our vulnerability.

This the very best thing that could have happened. On every talk show, in every paper and in every office and school we will be talking about this - and believe me the support will rocket.

This is something everyone should be talking about - it affects 51% of the entire population. Even Starmer is rowing back furiously.

Thank you to those on here especially that spread the sunshine and the light.

Thank goodness for that. Common sense prevails.

I am pleased to see this, although I strongly suspect it has far more to do with logistics and the difficulties of having two separate systems within the UK than any alignment with gender critical views.

I am concerned about what it means for the long term viability of the union.

The SNP are unhinged. But tells you how far they will go in pursuit of Westminster bad.

If it were not this, then it would be something else. Nationalism enables all sorts of nutty thinking, the SNP are not exempt from its basic disease which is that they are the true believers and what they think must be true. I suppose that's why this very extreme idea of self ID, at such a young age, appeals to them. It is magical thinking.

Marg literally doesn't know whether trans women are female or not, so the sex of skeletons is unlikely to enlighten poor old Margy very much...

I'd like to know what kind of conversations were happening behind closed doors, too.

"Do you think if we block this bill, we will get support?"

The answer had to be hell yes. As an unprecedented move, and with the risk that it might be a political misstep in terms of independence, the answer was still, hell yes.

It looks like the government is wising up, fairly swiftly, to how unpopular the entire trans ideology is.

NS has her own agenda. Can't believe this Scottish crap might cause damage in UK ie to encourage anyone in uk to follow suit abc try and get this shit passed in the uk.

Yeah, it's the link between your first sentence and your third one you need to justify.

Oh and BTW, THANK God someone still apparently knows what a woman is and hasn't lost their marbles.

Hallelujah, if the government is serious , perhaps they’d like to open the debate to the floor ……….

Hopefully the discussions will expose the fact that while the SNP were arguing in Holyrood that the GRC is a minor admin change & doesn’t affect anything, that they were simultaneously (successfully) arguing in Court of Sessions that GRC fundamentally changes someone’s sex & therefore a bio male is female in all respect for purposes of EA2010 - making single sex exemptions & affirmative action initiatives meaningless. I also note that maternity/pregnancy protection is written as applying only to females so wonder if TIF are going to be less protected with a GRC against discrimination?

Excellent news.

Hold onto your hats everyone; incoming furious TRA's looking to report anything and everything they can get away with.

Very pleased to hear this as a scot who was on the fence about independence I'm very pleased that the UK government intervened on this!

Actually after years of being pro trans a great deal of my dd's and ds's friends are waking up the cold hard reality of what is happening to women and girls' rights. They are now questioning, very seriously, what has been drummed into them, and are openly on the case. They remain respectful of choice, but seem to feel very strongly about the erosion of another vulnerable group.

So I wouldn't count on your brainwashing to fix the future, I think you will find the backlash in the younger generation is already afoot. It took them a while, but all of these wonderful mothers are pointing out how it will be for them during a smear test with a man called Sharon, or sharing a shower with poppy who has a penis and the real threat to women's sports, rape in prisons and everything else in between.

WE are educating tomorrow's world, not you, and not your well funded groups seeping into our schools and universities margritapie spreading more and more misgyony.

The fightback has landed in parliament at long last.

I'm so pleased the UK Govt has stepped up on this. Will be interesting/worrying to see the effect on support for separation, but it is encouraging to remember what proportion of the population is against the Scottish legislation.

NS was so incensed I assume she let the intern handle her Twitter. Two incorrect uses of "it's" in one sentence. Tsk tsk.

Why pretend we can't tell the difference between men and women?
It's gaslighting bullshit.
We can tell, even babies and dogs know the difference.
As for the ageism, not surprising from certain quarters.
I'm 37, hopefully I've got at least another 37 years of votes and protests left in me.

It's the vulnerable kids that get dragged along too.
eg my Dd, 15, ASD, selectively mute, still takes a teddy bear into School at all times (classed as a fidget toy) & wears headphones & sunglasses to cope. Anyway she has recently been 'adopted' by a group of cool nonbinary kids. School think it's GREAT & phoned me before Xmas to tell me that she 'now wants to be known as (boy name) so we will change the register - we are calling to inform you not ask permission'. Very bad practice to 'out' her like this - for all they knew she doesn't live in a supportive home & might have been in all kinds of trouble. As it is, we've had some sensible conversations (I hope). I took her to a Pride march as she wanted to go alone & I said it would be better to go with me & her big brother. We had a 'nice day out looking at the outfits & got pizza'. It satisfied her curiousity a bit. She wanted to bind so we got a very sturdy sports bra as a compromise (she is very sensory seeking). I talked to her about waiting until her body & mind are more developed before she makes any big / permanant decisions but that she had my love and support always regardless. But, of course, under the current SNP craziness, that's me denying her maleness.

Why is anyone posting stories about American trans identified sex workers on a thread about UK involvement in Scottish legislation? I mean, I know why, but what's the actual relevance? Poor Jasmine. Yet another reason why so called sex work is such an abhorrent industry. It's extremely dangerous whatever the sex of the worker. Funny how the gender machine are so pro prostitution, when it's responsible for the vast majority of trans murders.

This idea that it's somehow old people only who object is laughable. Some young people are absolutely captured, but most of the teens I know find gender obsession bizarre and cringeworthy. Young women are just as keen to preserve their dignity as older ones, whether you like it or not.

Let's not let this thread be derailed by something entirely unrelated that's happened in America.

I watch lots of real crime / murder shows. In the US 3 women a DAY are killed by an intimate partner. That means a rough figure of 45 WOMEN so far this year.

Not 1 but 45.