Good Morning Britain - Helen Joyce today

Yes there are plenty of GC voices they could have booked, I think if Helen was a deliberate first choice and it wasn't simply a matter of availability, it does look as if someone behind the scenes knew what's what.

I caught this, very predictably India tried to dodge any “difficult” questions “what would happen in single sex schools”, Suzanna brilliantly brought India back to answer that specific question. Helen was brilliant.

I also caught Shami Chakrabarti on R4 this am, agreeing that, whilst she agreed in principle with new SNP law, she thinks it would be in conflict with the Equality Act and the Government would be right to send it for a review!

Is Willoughby being deliberately brought on now to show the lack of foundations to the discussion points and the dishonesty of some of the points? Willoughby is out there on twitter telling everyone that males on oestrogen are the same as females after 2 years. And this is Willoughby who dishonestly calls themselves a 'female'.

Not only that, they have been shown to display male aggression and force people to kiss them on TV, tweets abhorrent tweets, yet is still booked to come onto media.

If I were Willoughby, I would be suspicious.

Cheers @Violetparis - I think they are too. A bit. But the splinters in their arses from fence sitting on women's rights must be smarting

Ben Bradshaw is appalling on this though. Has come out really strongly in support of NS and Scotland's terrifying decision making and then doubled down when challenged. There's a thread somewhere.

KS only yesterday was framing it in terms of the indignities to TW and not even mentioning women and their concerns. There's a lot of change needed before I feel even a twinge of optimism.

Yes. If people were claiming trans status rather than female status then there wouldn't be an issue.

Yes, I agree. I gave a friend her book recently; friend has since passed it on.

bellinisurge - here is a link to the Jonathan Reynolds interview. I do think Labour are moving on rhis issue.

twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1614903521924505608?t=AMZEoC1vgQvIx_-VKZW1Rg&s=19

Trans is a phenomenal read. It is so well researched and written, it is obvious so much work has gone into it. It was a page turner for me, but not in a good way, more I cannot actually believe this happened/is happening. The more people that read it the better, and tell their friends.

Slightly torn. After India's disgusting racist tweet recently about a black woman, I'm appalled that India is invited to speak on television. But on the other hand, India is so intellectually feeble that it makes it so much easier for Helen to wipe the floor with them. I do hope a clip is available soon.

Following in hope of a clip at some point!

After listening to HJ on Triggernometry I am now a massive fan. Have bought her book and looking forward to reading it Hopefully this will lead more people to hear her eminently sensible, balanced and thoughtful discussions.

IW is so so so unpleasant on Twitter that anyone now looking to find out more by googling will be left in no doubt as to what kind of person they are.

Did India bring their cervix this time that they offered to show previously.

In a way it’s a bit cruel putting India up against Helen? The contrast intellectually?

Helen was fabulous (as always). IW floundered. Helen refuted absolutely everything IW could come out with, most of which was laughable.

I did find it quite hilarious when IW tried to say only trans people could understand being trans....is it not obvious that it follows that only women could understand being women?

Hi India (since we know they stalk these boards 😂). 👋🏼

Reynolds is my MP. I have written to him once or twice about this as well as local issues. He always sent back "Be Kind" type replies masquerading as thoughtful analysis. Maybe he's started to do some actual analysis.

Jimmyneutronsforehead
Thanks, I appreciate that.

Have to give props to India for being the only TRA willing to debate with women. India is doing us a great service.

Hope there's a clip of this segment and it's brilliant that a mainstream programme finally invited Helen on!

Just caught the end of an interview with Jonathan Reynolds, Labour MP on Sky News. He said Labours position was to keep single sex spaces in line with the Equality Act. That's the clearest I've heard a Labour MP speak on this issue. He definitely said single sex rather than safe spaces.

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This is a good resource to refer to if you ever feel stuck for words in a discussion. Each of these cases are available for every one to look at on the public domain, as well as the national statistics for violent and sexual crimes.

HJ is starting to break through to the mainstream. This is excellent news

Absolutely perfectly put Gcfemale.
One of those common sense arguments you 'can't unsee'.

Didn't see the show, but how fantastic a producer considered and was allowed to book Helen for this. They must have known what the outcome would be.

Helen was wonderful - calm, clear, objective, evidence based. What a powerful advocate she is!

Not sure if India understood the question on single sex schools or deliberately muddled it all up....she certainly reinforced Helen's point about issues.

Wouldn't it just be so much better if IW et al just admitted there was a problem and tried to find solutions?

Eternally denying there are ever any examples EVER is such gaslighting.

And you know what? It's not necessary to have examples of men pretending to be trans women to harm women. It's enough to have examples of MEN harming women full stop.

And those are legion.

Helen Joyce was great. IW claimed that no one has or would bother to change legal sex just to have access to females which could lead to negative impacts on those females and HJ refuted this and gave examples where it has been the case.

I didn't see the whole thing but IW said there is not one single case in the whole world of men pretending to be trans to attack or abuse women.
Helen said it's irrelevant whether they are pretending. NI has 3 cases alone of men being charges with severe crimes against women and then subsequently changing their gender so they are now housed in women's prisons.

I'm pretty sure I heard IW saying 'no one apart from trans people know what it's like to be trans' which I accept, but I find this to be at odds with people who are not female claiming that they know what it is to be female.