Good Morning Britain - Helen Joyce today

Also amusing that it was Ed Balls presenting.

I went to today's programme and skipped to about 7.17, it was soon after that.

It is not up yet. Either on GMB catch up or twitter. A million fingers are pressing refresh.

It's up on ITVx, just watched it. India waffled on not making much sense for ages. Held up passport and had to be told to be careful about identity theft Glad they let HJ finish and refute the claim that no bad people self ID, she was brilliant.

No problem @ArabellaScott .

If I were Willoughby, I would be suspicious.

I don't think Willoughby is intelligent enough to be suspicious.

bellini, sorry, my anger was not directed at you!

Agree - racists get somewhat of a free pass, it seems.

But also agree with Helle .

@ArabellaScott , you are missing my point. They are so keen to reduce the "humiliation" of the GRC process but don't give a shiny shit about disabled people. And if I raise this it is dismissed as whataboutary.
And yes, they don't give a shit about humiliating women either

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How about the humiliation of women having to describe and spell out the reasons why they don't want to share spaces with males?

I never wanted to describe the biological issues involved in using certain spaces, or the reasons I or others may want a single sex space. I never wanted to recount or revisit abuse, assault, trauma. Many religious women have no desire to expose themselves to racist judgement by discussing their personally held beliefs.

Why doesn't women's dignity count for fucking anything?

100%.

They've tried the fudge before of 'yes, we will protect single sex spaces and transwomen are womensex' with the latter part said really fast so hopefully nobody notices.

The problem with this formulation is that since the Court of Sessions judgement in Scotland before Christmas the meaning of ‘sex’ in the Equality Act has been ruled to be ‘legal sex’ not biological sex. Your legal sex is the sex recorded on your birth certificate so people of the female sex includes for the Equality Act people of the male sex who hold a GRC which the GRR bill would give out to anyone who wants one. So whilst saying you will protect single sex spaces in line with the Equality Act sounds reassuring it means nothing unless it is qualified as biological sex.

While they are so keen on reducing the humiliation of tbe current GRC process, perhaps they could do something about tbe process by which disabled people get any benefits. Far more humiliating.
Is that whataboutary? You fucking well bet your arse it is. Don't care.

My issue with Labour is the 'how'.

How do they propose to reform the GRA and maintain protections for women.
Until they provide details on how they see this working and how they will deal with potential conflicts I'm still not convinced.

I also need to know that when labour use words like single sex, women etc these have the same meaning as mine. I'm not sure that is always the case.

So depressing that we now have to qualify everything with biological as we can't say woman, mother, sex, female without there being alternative definitions confusing issues

Wow, if Shami Chakrabati is saying it, that sounds like they are softening people up for something.
But this "99% of women are biological women" won't work.
Labour needs to say:
There are a small number of men who are legally women but they are still properly excluded from single sex spaces. We can look at what public money should be spent on third spaces but stay the fuck out of any single sex space for women.

@InterestingUsernameTBC I also am slightly skeptical, when they refer to single sex spaces, does that mean biological single sex or legal single sex with anyone who has paid £5 for a certificate?

Now where is someone with a link to this Helen Joyce segment!!

It is not up yet. Either on GMB catch up or twitter. A million fingers are pressing refresh.

LOL what an silly thing to do!

'ConfusedWorker1 added: “India Willoughby holding up her passport on live television to prove that she’s a woman and not a man is by far the most stupid thing I’m going to see all week, and it’s 7:30am on a Monday.”'

Not wishing to derail this thread which is about Helen Joyce on Good Morning Britain but I think we have to be careful with getting optimistic with this 'single sex spaces' talk. It became obvious with the Scottish GRR discussions that MSPs could say quite truthfully that it would not affect single sex spaces because they are secure in the knowledge that trans people have been using the spaces of their preference already. Therefore, no effect, trans people continue to use the spaces they have always used.

If Labour are saying they will protect single sex spaces I want to know how. How do you protect a female single sex space whilst simultaneously giving any man who wants one a new birth certificate that says he is female. I'm afraid my conclusion is that the single sex space being protected is one that is based on 'legal sex' and therefore includes people of both biological sexes.

Now where is someone with a link to this Helen Joyce segment!!

www.nottinghampost.com/news/celebs-tv/good-morning-britain-viewers-slam-8033589

Shani Chakrabati's comments on the radio this morning is significant.

I also caught Shami Chakrabarti on R4 this am, agreeing that, whilst she agreed in principle with new SNP law, she thinks it would be in conflict with the Equality Act and the Government would be right to send it for a review!

Woah.

IW is so poor but maybe it's like hauling out that paedophile apologist Tatchell for every so called LGBTQ+ issue (which seems to include women's rights in the alphabet soup. Just too lazy editorially (or too scared) to get anyone other than a familiar sound bite merchant