Good Morning Britain - Helen Joyce today

This. Once you have your certificate you are legally a woman, so single sex space is technically correct. Only women allowed in there. Biological or otherwise

It's so easily disproven.

Katie Dolatowski is a convicted violent sex offender. Currently in women's prison provision in Scotland. There are others.

I couldn’t agree with you more, @ArabellaScott

@Birdsweepsin I totally agree. It's ridiculous to deny there's a problem when there's so much evidence of it. It's so demonstrably something that happens that it undermines anything else that India might say.

Oh, and while I'm here, please follow the link below to sign the petition to help keep men, including sex offenders, out of women's prisons and remove the ones that have already been put there

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex

Also share it, if you can. And check out some of the other petitions on that board.

I actually have a bit more sympathy/understanding for RMW ridiculous, "but they're not trans" excuses. I can see you trying to make that work in your tiny brain when confronted with the facts, if you want to deny it all. But IW just saying, "it never happens" is even more stupid than that.

Maybe IW can’t countenance that anything said by a TRA isn’t immediately accepted as the truth?

Why does IW deny the prisons issue so strongly?

Surely a more sensible approach would be 'yes this is a worry and the trans community are working with the MoJ/ courts/ prison officers to ensure the safety of everyone'.

Rather than No You Are Wrong which just makes India look a little foolish

Labour think they can fudge the TWAW bit with their 99% of women are biological women line. But it's not going to work. It will be their undoing.
It doesn't mean that GC people will vote Tory, it means GC people will stay away at the next election. Labour needs to get the vote out to overturn the massive Tory majority. If people don't get out and vote Labour, they will not overturn enough seats.

Watched it on ITVx . Thank the Goddess that Helen is Irish and can get in the Limerick Prison outrage whenever India W comes out with the "it never happens" bullshit.

Quite.

Kier Starmer said this too a while back, but when asked if single sex spaces for women include men who have had a sex change or GRC, I believe he said “yes, because they are women” 🙄🤬

Labour are fudging their position, and I have some sympathy for that, it’s politics after all.

What I want to know, and it is literally the only thing tempting me to vote for Sunak (and I voted for Corbyn!), is: what would Starmer DO? Will he keep up the excellent steps taken by Sunak’s government on this, and follow the recommendations of the Cass report? Will he refuse to allow self-ID, and get men (particularly rapists) out of women’s prisons and sports? Will he fight the brainwashing and sexualisation of children in schools and stop “LGBTQ+ support” charities and school groups putting adult men in touch with teenage boys who they sexually pressure and exploit?

The Tories are shit and have broken Britain but that doesn’t mean I’m going to wave through someone who might be worse. Sunak is dumb but I fear Starmer may be dumber. I need him to stop fudging and show me what he believes and what issues he’s fighting for. If he doesn’t care enough about women’s rights to say so, maybe that’s my answer 😔

Indeed. Apt observation succinctly put. Borrowing. Fibromyalgia brain and I always get tongued tied when challenged this is simple and easy to remember. Thanks.

They should have interviewed India Willoughby's cervix

Yes, the invention of the concept of a section of men who are exempt from safeguarding rules and the normal social conventions is both absurd and dangerous.

Don't forget as well that this section of men is self-selecting. A self-selected section of men who are exempt from safeguarding. Nope, can't see any issue with that whatsoever.

Just catching up on this. My summary: reasoned grown-up setting out facts vs. passport waiving sophist with zero grasp of legal nuance.

Thanks, IW. You're really helping a nation of fence sitters turn GC. 👌🏻

Well, according to the analysis of the census, men who say they are women are more of a threat to women than men who don't, not less.

And the prison stats speak for themselves.

All these points are eminently refutable. Fortunate to have someone like Willoughby to set it all up.

I seem to remember Willoughby saying their work had dried up. They probably need the money. And yes, they never stuck to facts, just daft hyperbole. Definitely good value to have them on tv.

Silly women, can't expect them to correctly identify what the threat to them is, can we? Even when one of that class kills a woman twice a week, they can't possibly understand who's doing it!

Yes, the invention of the concept of a section of men who are exempt from safeguarding rules and the normal social conventions is both absurd and dangerous.

I've just been talking about it to DP, I'm sure India expected to be given the last word, but refreshingly not the case.

I want that statement on a leaflet.

reading the comments on willoughbys twitter. India has retweeted this comment post today's interview:

" I’m yet to see a discussion on tv about trans folk that doesn’t paint them as a danger to women. The real threat to women are cis men"

and I want to shout - the real threat to women is MEN, not 'cis' men. The 'cis' bit is irrelevant. What's relevant is biological men and particularly biological men with a sexual interest in females whatever gender they choose to describe themselves.

Held up passport and had to be told to be careful about identity theft

But no-one would pretend to be someone they aren't, so no problem, eh India?

Cheers @Ereshkigalangcleg

India is a he, always start there.